Savior poll

Kenneth writes: Lets have a poll, How many people on this list once thought of themselves as somekinda saviour already? How many still do?

Fifteen people responded on list to Kenneth's poll.

Nine said yes, or responded in such a way to infer a yes answer.
Four said no
Two people simply commented.

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The posts:

While I think it may be true that our individual energy will encircle the planet bringing light and joy to millions it will not be in the way we think it will while we are in saviour mode. (Prolly it will be cause someone forwards one of our 'serious' posts to lots of lists for laughs!)

Here it is!

Nope! This is the Time Travel Machine, lets see..

Yep, here it is, the King and Saviour of the Universe Crown! Don't make em like this anymore, let me tell you! You want Patents of Nobility? Got those too somewhere....

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You are funny. Reading you made me laugh.

... I have never thought of myself as a saviour. Not of the earth, or the animals or the people, not of anything. I care about them. But it has never crossed my mind to lead them to salvation even if I wanted to save them I wouldn't know where to begin. I am still trying to figure out my own salvation. ...

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>she has been here for something like 76,000 years, and came here >JUST to help humanity get through this state of their growth
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>Hi ...
>Isnt that what we're all doing? Regardless of our knowledge of it or not?

emmm.... naa, there are some that are strictly indifferent to helping-its not an important thing to them, and not necessarily in the job description... there are always exceptions...
and another thing-there ARE some that are actively working AGAINST humanity learning and growing, and that is their entire purpose. keep em in the dark, and HERE.

and as for Kenneths poll? I am a janitor...pure and simple...

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I think Kenneth's poll is a terrific idea. I'll go 3rd. I've had a saviour fantasy since I was 5 years old. It has been a HUGE obstacle to waking up. Even the desire to help or to serve has been a disaster for me. I'm giving up the whole thing and if this body happens to be useful in one way or another, I don't wanna know about it.

This being said, I am very grateful and have lots of love for the Doc K'..s of this world. I have been given so much help by all those who have tried to teach the unteachable. God bless 'em. H...

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Im with H... at the moment.
Though having said that I reserve the right to change my mind. Who knows I might be called to be great spiritual charlatan ( is there such a thing) I mean leader tomorrow.
I think virtually everyone on and not on this list will have had experiences of healing / helping others.
I have been fortunate to have been part of miraculous recoveries, literally sight has been restored, growths have gone, attitudes have changed, but if im so great why hasent everyone I have touched got better????
I even opened a healing clinic with my partner because I believed that "God/Godess Higher Power" wanted me to, there was a lot of evidence to support my perception that I had a special gift. So 4 month later I burst an ulcer had to close had lost my life savings but still can laugh.

The spititual Masters mostly say be as you are, you dont have to do too much, the greatest service you can do is become enlightened, how can you possibly help people in a dream? Get yourself out of the dream first and in doing that becoming THAT which you are allready the "human race" is automatically one step closer to being home. A rising tide lifts all boats I think it was President Kennedy that said that but its true.

My own personal view is that Kundalini is the awakener the evolutionary device used to boot us into what comes next. What we call knowledge even of the spiritual kind may be worse that usless if there is actally a change of dimension. We might find that the mind collective & personal if there is a "person" left afterwards is wiped clean of all "past" lets face it we gravitate towards what we think and if left with any of the old thoughts would just recreate the problems of the past in any new world a bit like the pilgram fathers who escaped from religous persecution to do exactly the same in the New World.
Having said all that we have little choice but to follow our Dharma so the very best of luck to all who want to help us move into a world of Peace & Harmony

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>Im with H... at the moment.

:) me too.

>Though having said that I reserve the right to change my mind.
>Who knows I might be called to be great spiritual charlatan ( is there such
>a thing) I mean leader tomorrow.
>I think virtually everyone on and not on this list will have had experiences
>of healing / helping others.

Yes.

>I have been fortunate to have been part of miraculous recoveries, literally
>sight has been restored, growths have gone, attitudes have changed, but if
>im so great why hasent everyone I have touched got better????

sigh. If the power is mine, why cannot I use it as I choose? Because the power is theirs. "by your faith are you healed."

>I even opened a healing clinic with my partner because I believed that
>"God/Godess Higher Power" wanted me to, there was a lot of evidence to
>support my perception that I had a special gift. So 4 month later I burst an
>ulcer had to close had lost my life savings but still can laugh.

The purpose was not to heal others, but to heal yourself... to get past the savior thing. Road to hell, paved with "good intentions"
Karma follows responsibility... take on the responsibility of being a "savior", you get too much karma and some sort of crucifixion is bound to result. Been there done that... thus, all the best healers insist whatever miracles result, are not of them but *through* them. You have to, or the karma will kill you. How many Gurus died from some sort of liver disease because they bit off more karma than they could chew?
Responsibility belongs to Goddess, then the karma flows through...

Whenever I am starting to feel burnout from the work I do, I know it is because I have been taking too much responsibility. The weight gets too heavy, and I find myself wanting to abandon it all like Gaugin, run off to Fiji to paint.
Surrender everything, responsibility, mission, purpose. labels, titles... come back into balance. If it is meant to be, Goddess gives it back.

Blessings...

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The Boddhisattva vow is a stubborn refusal to see perfection, in order to continue to incarnate and play savior.

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Mystress mentioned something about astral thought forms hanging around influencing people. I have heard this before, that there are 3 big ones: 1) I am going to be a GREAT HEALER 2) I am going to be a GREAT SPIRITUAL LEADER . Darn, can't remember #3. I think it was something like 3) I'm going to buy a big plot of land and establish a sanctuary/wellness center/retreat facility that will become a bastion of Light holding back the Darkness.

I'm not saying it's never real. I'm just saying these things are out there, so to quote the Highlander again, "Don't lose your head."

Wishing you clear light (and ice cream for D...)

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Hello! Ok before all this K stuff started happening I really believed my path was a healer I wanted to heal every person animal and anything else. I realized through all I have been through that I dont have the tools to do this, we can only heal ourselves and trust me there are people I would love to hit over the head and say your life doesnt have to suck and then solve there poblems for them. I love to use psychic and energy healing on people that is what I do in all of my spare time but people come to me and expect me to solve there problems for them. I am only the channel and I always make sure they know even if this upsets them since I am not making things too easy for them that the problem starts deep inside and only they can fix it. I cant take there emotional pain away or all the traumas they have encountered nor will I claim to do so. I dont believe that ANYONE can fix these things but themselves. I know with all the Reiki treatments I do and other forms of healing on myself that these problems the root issues are still there and need to be faced. There is no easy path that is how we learn we face things. Anyway yes I have changed my views I still love to do healing that is part of my path but I really dont claim solve all a persons problems, but maybe that makes me a bad healer I would rather show them that they can do it themselves.

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Hi all :)
This is just my view please do not take it personally. I think that everyone has their own path to their own truth. This just a bit of mine. I think Kristy is right, at least in my truth. I think the highest road one can walk down is the road that shows others away to truth. I believe healing potential lies in all, some just refuse to see it or acknowldge it.I think it is okay for those souls who are not ready to choose not to acknowledge these gifts and the divinity in them is okay. But, if one is open to the possiblity then one should be shown a map of roads to choose from. The potiential in us all is high, how could it not be, we are all a part of the Great Divine Energy, whatever you wanna call it. How could we not have the potiential to heal ourselves, or cocreate this reality,among other things. I think some of us are just more open, and those who accept the limitations that this world shows seeks those of an open heart/soul/mind/spirit to help them in healing, leadership, things of a spiritual nature. but the true potiential lies in us all. Well thats my view, it might not be yours,and thats okay :)
remember to look up at the wonder of the stars,for you are that wonder:)

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I had a lot of dreams when I was 4 and 5 of leading people to higher ground so to speak.

Then in the winter of '01' I went to Gremany and a Feng Shui Master, a friend of a friend, took me on my first inner journey that wasn't spontaneous, where the two of us talked with one of my guides.

I asked my guide what it is that I was supposed to do in my life, at the Masters urging. The reply I got was, 'lead your people.'

That was troubling for me in many ways. I said 'no' to the guide a couple of times before I finally shut up.

Anyway, I've had in my life time well over 20 years in the personal growth industry. Mostly spent trying to 'fix' what was wrong with me so I could fit in. Probably the most valuable lesson I learned in all those years, is the value of leading by example.

So I applied that principle to what my guide said and began working harder than ever on myself. The only way I want to or could IMHO lead is by example. Followers, folks who just do as you say, have no appeal to me. Since that time, I have met many folks like me. Special because they want to and, to one degree or another, are awake. They want to lead by example, not by convincing folks they know something no one else does.

We have (my friends and I) since come to believe that the call to 'rescue', 'save' and 'lead' all the hapless 'unawake' folks is not really what those messages were about. Everyone of my friends have had such calls.

I seems to us, that the true nature of those visions, dreams and desires, is a call to gather. And it is happening, without any help from anyone. So we call it the gathering of 'kin.'

It is a gathering of like minded folks who have come to see their gifts and the truely beautiful gift we all have been given called life.

AND we all mostly work on ourselves, under what I call 'authentic self interest.' If everybody worked on themselves, and shared that work openly, then the 'rescuing' is being done. Indirectly.

People are listening, those who want answers. They will ask questions, when they feel the need. Not that they really have a need.

Extending a hand to those who request it is a great way to live and serve and grow. 'We are ALL made of stars,' as moby so eloquently sang. We are all made of the same stuff, so it's ok to ask for a hand and extend one in turn. It will bennefit everyone.

Please notice though the FEELINGS attached to that. There is no victum, there is no saviour, just folks working together to create a greater experience.

AND that my dear friends, is my two cents worth. Off my soap box now. hehehe...

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Hahahaha, (for poll) not exactly a saviour... but ask Mystress... when I joined the list I wanted to heal everyone! lol I think that counts. Poor me, got burnt out *poof* but it was worth the experience... everything is, isn't it?

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> How many people on this list once thought of themselves as somekinda saviour
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never have and dont believe we should ever think that. we are here to learn from eachother.

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The first K- days when I was in a bliss, I had the tendency to think I was someone special.
It just lasted for 2-3 days, because I started to think about it. On my life when I was 23; I had a job, and I just thought I was super about that.
I learned the lesson the hard way, and I reccognised those signs from that stage of life.
So, now I do not think about being any kind of saviour, but I do believe that if we are trying to hold our negative emotions (not to others), and sharing our positive emotions we CAN create a better harmonious world (however on a small basis).

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now, as for the question, savior? ME? naa...got too much fun doing what I got to do...

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just thought I would throw my name in the hat too, I'm just a man, and I still have a lot to learn. Gentleman first, saviour later.

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I thought (and was told) in my 20s that I was sent to earth for a special purpose - a divine messenger. That's the closest brush I ever had with divinity-identity. I came to the realization that we all have 'the' message we need to deliver.

When I was a kid, I thought that whatever I thought of occured for quite a while. Then when I was older, I thought that whatever I thought of, the opposite occured. Go figger. I thought too much - I tried to find the time these concepts did the flip.

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