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Recieved: 2004/12/16 16:26
Subject: Re: [K-list] God and stuff.
From: Oyvind
On 2004/12/16 16:26, Oyvind posted thus to the K-list:
> I, One Man Alone, think this is very very stupid and
> sad. The impression of God as an old man is very
> idiotic. God is not by any means a human or in a human
> figure. Yes, He is a judge...
I understand you are a christian, and I respect your
beliefs (which is my default setting ;) )
Personallly i doubt that "God" (or Brahman or Tao
or whatever) is a "He", (which is a common perception
in patriarchical traditions) or "She". An "It" resonates
better inside my skull. And I dont think "it" judges
anything.
> Jesus
> was the incarnate of God.
Well, there are many perceptions of "who" he was. My
personal belief (which is not based dogmas (absolute
beliefs), but catmas (relative meta-beliefs)), is
that he most likely was an awakened one. A very common
reason for dragging around with disciples, is to teach
them how to evolve/wake up. There are lots of interesting
books on the topic.
> He was to clear us from sin. Sin is
> all that's wrong and eats away at not at just us but
> all of humanity. Sin is the essence that has made the
> world the insanity it is today. Sin is the reason for
> lawsuits(greed), murder(anger), rape(lust),
> obesity(gluttony and sloth), war(envy and pride),
These are "just" (in most cases) actions from un-evolved beeings.
(My favourite term is "domesticated primates"). The human
consciousness has always evolved, either by consciously
doing so or the painful way.
(PS I am not claiming that I am super-evolved :> )
> Also, the only thing the Bible tells us not to do is
> things we shouldn't do anyway, like murder, rape,
> theft. Besides evil acts of violence and insanity, the
> Bible tells us that WE ARE FREE! It takes a true moron
> to think they are gods, or to misinterpret the Bible
> so horribly that they think we are slaves in some way.
> There is only one Father God, one Holy Ghost, and one
> Holy Son. We are NOT gods. We cannot make planets in
> seven days. We are not sinless, we are not perfect, we
> are not powerful, and what's more, we never will be.
*ahem* some people believe its "moronic" to believe
that God created the earth in 6 days...(no offence) (and most
scriptures have similar prescriptions on how to live)
What if, lets say, that Kundalini is equivalent to the
"holy ghost" ? What about studying the background for
your beliefs ? Maybe there never was a guy, who built
a boat and took 20 billion animals with it ? Maybe
the Bible is 30% myth, 30% culture and 30% truth ?
(I know I may be poking somebodys guts with saying this,
but I *really* dont mean to offend anybody)
> Don't be stupid. I believe God did indeed give us
> gifts of spiritual and mental abilities that we forgot
> from physical reliance, but we are NOT GODS! WE ARE
> NOT GODS! And proof of it is that you(who ever
> believes they are gods) want to be. No man or woman or
> being of any kind is like or equal to God in any way.
Its a matter of which concept of "God" is beeing used, isnt it
(And the concept "God" is
> PS: I have proof of my statements about the Bible in
> no way restricting us from having good lives. I am a
> Christian and I'm very free. I've never had to worry
> about if I'm doing the wrong thing until I considered
> killing someone(which I didn't). Jesus preached only
> LOVE, never slavery.
Relax, you dont have to prove anything :) (And he probably
preached that the Old-Testament concept is obsolete, which
pissed of lots of people. He also stressed to look inside,
not in the sky)
Peace & respect,
Oyvind
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