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Recieved: 2004/10/05 13:32
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From: mara lynn
On 2004/10/05 13:32, mara lynn posted thus to the K-list:
Hi Rich,
Hmm, I just find all this interesting because, well, words, concepts mean different things to different people. We all see through the filter of our own perception, slightly different angles. I see blue, you see green, etc. Not right or wrong, just different ways. I have a few little comments below.
Thank you for the engaging conversation. : ).
Namaste,
Mara
Rich <richATulterium.com> wrote:
The death is the 'I'. It has no choice but to die when 'i' stop investing in
it.
(mara) Is this the ego you refer to?
Thinking my way out is impossible. Thinking is like regurgitating old crap
like I am doing now.
(m) I agree with you absolutely here
> Resistance is automatically triggered, and now one is in a battle against
something.
> But isn't it the mind battling the mind, in its own loop of illusion?
I don't see a battle. A battle normally means there are heroes and villains,
winners and losers. My mind often becomes home and the attention I give to
it keeps it running like a machine with predictable responses based on past
programming.
(m) if something has to die, there is a loser
I used to play a game on the computer, where I would send a beam of light
through a maze of mirrors and each time the light would be deflected. I'd
adjust the angle of mirrors so the light would follow a specific path. The
idea was to get the light beam to reach a specific position around the maze.
To me, the mind is sometimes like this. Mirrors reflecting back a response
to my intentions and thoughts. When the mind is pure (without mirrors) there
is no noise, rather direct knowing like the light beam slicing a path
without any interference.
(m) This is an excellent analogy, I like this...and the game sounds fun! Is it still around?
> One just has to stop buying into their own belief's.
That's your belief!
(m) I knew you'd say that. (hehe ), but that isn't what I was trying to get across.
A belief is created in the mind, a perception of something. So it is limited, finite, dependent on position and locality.
> Isn't what you wrote just a listing of your own belief's?
Can you tell me?
(M) Nope. Only engaging in conversation that is interesting and expansive.
> Death of the ego...this seems to me to be a belief that duality is real.
As real as 'I' make it.
(m) ok. but still not sure if you are refering to ego here.
> It seems to me that the concept of death can > only exist in a world of
duality.
Yes, in non-duality 'I' cannot die as I am already dead.
(m) there can't be such a concept in non-duality, but I get the feeling we're saying the same thing in a different way.
> Hmm, I wonder why there is so much fear about surrendering, for the ego.
Because the ego is based in fear.
(m) true
> As soon as the ego hears that word, it goes into defense mode, gets out
the armor, and builds fortresses.
Well look at the content of what is being surrendered and you will see the
resistance in that. It is not always about defence or battles.
(m) well, if there is resistance, there has to be something opposite that is being resisted, even if its an imagined something.
> I imagine because it feels attacked-surrender implies that a battle is
taking place, so who wouldn't defend
> themselves?
> Perhaps it'd make more sense, and disengage the ego in an easier way,
> if we used the word yield, or assent, or comply with?
Well words too can form emotional responses tied up with images and symbols.
Have you tried to surrender a word that has emotional responses. Like
ice-cream, television or the body etc.
(m) so true
Sometimes it's enough to have faith and surrender without dialogue.
(m) agree
For me, insights follow *if* there is anything worthwhile to be known.
(m) absolutely
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