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Thread-Topic: [K-list] Re: latest experience--very strange
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Subject: Re: [K-list] Re: latest experience--very strange
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I like what you wrote.
Maybe it's not about surrendering but "understanding" and digesting?
<-----Original Message----->
>From: diamondsutraATnetidea.com
>Sent: 9/25/2004 11:09:41 AM
>To: lyndonAThypnosisforchange.co.uk
>Cc: k-listATKundalini-Gateway.org
>Subject: Re: [K-list] Re: latest experience--very strange
>
>**please remember to delete most of email you are responding to, before
posting
>your comments to the list.** Hello Lyndon: I'll endeavor to respond to
your
>questions from the most spontaneous place that I can. And I can only
speak from
>my experience and not as any authority on anyone else's experience.
Lyndon
>Garvey said:> Hi there,>> Sorry for the late reply. Your email is very
>inspiring. It's great to be> able to correspond with someone who has so
much
>experience in this field.> And it's also great to know that a few of my
ideas
>about this whole thing> match your own. That namely, we can't
understand what
>is happening, yet the> mind obsessively tries to do so. And that this
process
>seems to just happen> despite the minds incessant activity.>> I have a
few
>questions for you, if you don't mind answering them that is.>> 1) In
your
>experience, where does this lead to? I have no idea where what you
refer to
>as "this" leads. My devotion is to "life" or to "God" or to "Great
Mystery",
>howsoever you like to refer to it. I trust that God will put me
wherever I am
>meant to be. Right now that is here. Now here. Now here. Any
consideration of
>the future only causes me to burn. Does the process finally> end? I am
living
>in eternity. For me eternity has nothing to do with time but is "stuff"
all
>around me. The source of life has no end. Are people greatly changed as
a
>result of it? I don't know about "people" but I do see that change is
always
>happening. And yet, that center of stillness is always still. How long
>typically does> it take? Or is it an ongoing process?> I don't know
what "it"
>really refers to here, Lyndon. I am here and, amazingly I am still here
and
>alive. Understanding the mystery that I am is ongoing. Insights are
granted by
>grace. In my life there is much gratitude.> 2) I hear lots of reports
of
>people being somehow damaged or overly> distressed by kundalini
release. But I
>suspect that it is a benign process.> Sure it may trawl up things that
people
>have difficulty dealing with, but I> suspect the more serious issues
like
>psychosis, emotional breakdown, various> illnesses are due to
excessively
>trying to control this process. And if> they could just give in to it,
things
>would work out OK. Hmmm, sounds interesting. Somewhat philosophical. Is
it true
>for you? I certainly have no control of my life and at the same time I
do what
>needs to be done, blessedly. I don't have choices..but move from a
place of
>choiceless awareness--when I do.>> 3) I feel that kundalini release
itself is
>an evolutionary mechanism for> discharging emotions and releasing
thoughts.
>Current research suggests that> dreams primarily are there to discharge
the
>emotions we acrue from our day> to day experiences. And it also seems
to be
>teh case that excessive mind> activity which is a combination of
excessive
>thoughts and excessive emotions> obscure the true self -- the part of
us that
>is completely peaceful and> harmless and joyful and fulfilled etc. And
if only
>we had a way of getting> to that.. It's just a hunch really. I feel
that the
>whole kundalini process> is about releasing emotions. What do you
think? All I
>know is to watch the thoughts when there are thoughts and to surrender
to the
>energy. Emotions are not love, in my experience and get in the way of
love.My
>endeavor is to be true to love, which is to be without thinking and
without
>emotion. Mostly this happens without effort, unless there is something
that
>needs to be addressed. I find, usually that if emotion comes up, then
there is
>something in the practical aspect of my "living" that needs to be
addressed. To
>endeavor to describe love is.....well I'll say that, at the very least
it is a
>stillness and an absence.... of emotion...at the very least. In the
presence of
>emotion I move into stillness and the energy then does what it has to
do with
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