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Recieved: 2004/09/25 03:01
Subject: [K-list] Re: latest experience--very strange
From: Diamondsutra
On 2004/09/25 03:01, Diamondsutra posted thus to the K-list:
Hello Lyndon:
I'll endeavor to respond to your questions from the most spontaneous place
that I can. And I can only speak from my experience and not as any
authority on anyone else's experience.
Lyndon Garvey <lyndonAThypnosisforchange.co.uk> said:
> Hi there,
>
> Sorry for the late reply. Your email is very inspiring. It's great to be
> able to correspond with someone who has so much experience in this field.
> And it's also great to know that a few of my ideas about this whole thing
> match your own. That namely, we can't understand what is happening, yet the
> mind obsessively tries to do so. And that this process seems to just happen
> despite the minds incessant activity.
>
> I have a few questions for you, if you don't mind answering them that is.
>
> 1) In your experience, where does this lead to?
I have no idea where what you refer to as "this" leads. My devotion is
to "life" or to "God" or to "Great Mystery", howsoever you like to refer to
it. I trust that God will put me wherever I am meant to be. Right now that is
here. Now here. Now here. Any consideration of the future only causes me to
burn.
Does the process finally
> end?
I am living in eternity. For me eternity has nothing to do with time but
is "stuff" all around me. The source of life has no end.
Are people greatly changed as a result of it?
I don't know about "people" but I do see that change is always
happening. And yet, that center of stillness is always still.
How long typically does
> it take? Or is it an ongoing process?
>
I don't know what "it" really refers to here, Lyndon. I am here and,
amazingly I am still here and alive. Understanding the mystery that I am is
ongoing. Insights are granted by grace. In my life there is much gratitude.
> 2) I hear lots of reports of people being somehow damaged or overly
> distressed by kundalini release. But I suspect that it is a benign process.
> Sure it may trawl up things that people have difficulty dealing with, but I
> suspect the more serious issues like psychosis, emotional breakdown, various
> illnesses are due to excessively trying to control this process. And if
> they could just give in to it, things would work out OK.
Hmmm, sounds interesting. Somewhat philosophical. Is it true for you?
I certainly have no control of my life and at the same time I do what needs
to be done, blessedly. I don't have choices..but move from a place of
choiceless awareness--when I do.
>
> 3) I feel that kundalini release itself is an evolutionary mechanism for
> discharging emotions and releasing thoughts. Current research suggests that
> dreams primarily are there to discharge the emotions we acrue from our day
> to day experiences. And it also seems to be teh case that excessive mind
> activity which is a combination of excessive thoughts and excessive emotions
> obscure the true self -- the part of us that is completely peaceful and
> harmless and joyful and fulfilled etc. And if only we had a way of getting
> to that.. It's just a hunch really. I feel that the whole kundalini process
> is about releasing emotions. What do you think?
All I know is to watch the thoughts when there are thoughts and to
surrender to the energy. Emotions are not love, in my experience and get in
the way of love.My endeavor is to be true to love, which is to be without
thinking and without emotion. Mostly this happens without effort, unless
there is something that needs to be addressed. I find, usually that if
emotion comes up, then there is something in the practical aspect of
my "living" that needs to be addressed. To endeavor to describe love
is.....well I'll say that, at the very least it is a stillness and an
absence.... of emotion...at the very least. In the presence of emotion I
move into stillness and the energy then does what it has to do with the
emotion.
>
> 4) Is it worth studying kundalini yoga, tantra etc.? I feel that i'll be
> mis-interpreting my experience if I do. "the chakra is like a wheel" is
> it? can we be sure of this? "when your third eye chakra is open you will
> start to have psychic visions!" So then I spend all my time looking out for
> psychic visions instead of observing and responding to the changes that are
> natually occuring in my body. I may be totally wrong here, but this is my
> current belief, i.e. that we should do our best not to taint our experience
> by mind -- or what we have learned.
I can't really answer this for you Lyndon. I can share that in the early
years of my "spiritual obsession", I read everything I could get my hands
on. All spiritual books, for about 30 years....well, from l968
until...l991. Stopping from time to time, selling all the books and
endeavoring to live the truth. Now I read novels and don't study anything.
I am still now and i wander on the countrysides, do what must be done and
enjoy my life.
>
> 5) Am I right ot ask these questions or shoudl I just allow what happens to
> happen without pre-judging or anticipating the outcome?
You do what you do. And what is right for you? For me to be "right" is
to be in harmony with the energy that I know as God. To live according to
the truth as I know it to be. And to do what there is to be done, what I am
moved to do.
>
> I look forward to your response.
I have found surrender, acceptance, ease and gratitude to be most
comfortable for me. Yes, there are challenging times, but usually I get on-
line and ask for support when I need it.
love and blessings, deesutra
>
> Best Regards,
> L
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <diamondsutraATnetidea.com>
> To: <k-listATKundalini-Gateway.org>
> Cc: <lyndonAThypnosisforchange.co.uk>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 10:30 PM
> Subject: latest experience--very strange
>
>
> >
> > Lyndon:
> >
> > I read your entry and a few things came up for me. I was a sannyasin
> with
> > Osho Rajneesh for 11 years-til he died in l990 and as a sannyasin with the
> > intensive meditation and energy work that was done and that we/i did i saw
> > and experienced many of the things about which you speak and then--
> >
> > > >
> > love and blessings, deesutra
> >
> >
>
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