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Recieved: 2004/08/25 00:42
Subject: Re: [K-list] new to list - K and insomnia?
From: PJM
On 2004/08/25 00:42, PJM posted thus to the K-list:
Hi Antoine:
The one thing that I can say for sure that your intuition is correct - I´m
definitely not in the advanced stage of practice where I can thrive on one
or two hours of sleep per night. While to a point, the energy keeps me
going (when this energy is not happening, I could not possibly function
adequately through a day after a sleepless night), I still can´t function at
a level adequate enough to maintain my life – I have to retreat into a
survival mode of getting through work and hibernating at home. Thanks for
your thoughts about top-down awakening – my intention in posting was just to
get a wide range of thoughts and opinions, in the hope that a particular
comment or thought will plant an intuitive seed that will germinate and be
later fruitful as I try to work my way through this, and your thoughts are
now planted in that soil. I'm of a mind to perhaps try the grounding
exercise.
I resist not sleeping much less than I used to when it started last winter,
so while I would not say that the discomfort of not sleeping is not an
issue, it is less than it used to be – I´m used to it in a way right now,
but still, the state of sleep deprivation wreaks havoc with my emotions, so
I would tend to say that it is the sleep deprivation itself that is mostly
the issue.
Many thanks for your thoughts and opinions on this matter.
Kindest regards
Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: "Antoine Carré" <antoine.carreATsympatico.ca>
To: "PJM" <pjm1ATsurfglobal.net>
Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 9:29 PM
Subject: Re: [K-list] new to list - K and insomnia?
> Hello Paul,
>
> First question why do you want to sleep?
>
> Is the strain you are putting on why you do not sleep the cause of
> discomfort, or is it not sleeping?
>
> There is two ways to look into this, either you are not ready - when I say
> you I mean all your body not just your mid - to practice zazen so
> intensively. Then I would suggest doing tai-chi and no not moving posture
> for a few weeks. It will equilibrate things very nicely. Even QuiQong is
to
> passive for you.
>
> The other way is that you are like the few I have met and who do not need
> to sleep anymore. Maybe 1 hour or 2 and then they spend the rest of the
> night in the Buddha position. Being all there like full grown children all
> the rest of the day. Open to each flower they see opening on there path.
> But my intuition tells me you are not of the second way yet. You need to
> find a way to balance your mind with your body. I suggest tai-chi. It is
> very efficient for someone like you.
>
> Talking about a top-down awakening. I would say you are one of those
>
> http://kundalini-teacher.com/awakening/sawaken.html
>
> and you may be interested in the grounding exercise of Angelique that
focus
> on the solidity of this planet as a source of ground instead of finding
the
> stillness in movement as in tai-chi. If you pass your day looking for the
> stillness in stillness as does zazen, how can you ask for sleep when the
> night comes? You have been still most of the time awake so of course you
> will not be able to be still as the night comes.
>
> You asked for an opinion, here was one. But your heart, not your brain,
> knows the best.
>
> I wish you a deep peace and a nice nigh of rest from your inner struggle
> from the program we call sleep.
>
> Antoine
>
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