To: K-list
Recieved: 2004/08/23 16:56
Subject: RE: [K-list] Some Answers
From: Rick Mayweather
On 2004/08/23 16:56, Rick Mayweather posted thus to the K-list:
I can see this is becoming a learning experience for us both.
>The truth is for everyone, there should not be pockets of secrets like this
>
>very short sighted.. it will be used by someone to to achieve material
>ends, or satisfying gross ego with dangerous consequences. which is anti
>thesis to spiritual integrity
This is the view of ego. The ego believes it's in charge whereas Self runs
the game. Everything that happens is divine, it's our egoic perspective
that stops us from seeing this. Integrity ? You mean egoic pride ?
Dangerous consequences, who are we to judge ? Who are we to say person x
may learn spiritual truth y and person z may learn truth abc. Freedom for
all, let the divine guide those who want the truth to it but make it
available to all when that time should come.
Dictionary / integirty : The quality or condition of being whole or
undivided; completeness. Surely only the ego seeks complete integrity yet
never fulfllls it. The identity is never complete.
>Todays Science is an infant and dwarfed system, emphasizing study with the
>senses about material
There is nothing gross about the material / physical world, this is as much
part of the divine as spiritual / higher planes of consciousness. If you
reject the physical world, then you reject yourself. The physical world is
beautiful. Do you mean that everyday thought reality is gross which is
projected onto the world ?
>and that which relates to matter, motivated by curiosity of the senses and
>satisfaction of the gross ego.
The ego is not gross, the ego serves a purpose. It's our way of surviving
in the physical world. It can be beautiful but it's not who we are.
>This is a study is in the realm of the pind which is so limited. Its like
>making efforts to measure the diameter of our galaxy with a small sewing
>needle..
>
>But this petty little knowldege has been misused and abused with very
>disastrous consequence .
Are you judging science ? I used to do this too. Having worked with
science, I now accept it, and understand it serves a purpose, it's part of
the whole, reject anything and you reject part of yourself.
This petty little knowledge has saved many many people's lives remember, is
it now so petty ? Which side do you choose, the good or the bad or
something else ? Where is your perspective ? Where is the point within your
consciousness of the projection you made ?
>The sciences of virat and brahmand, each of them of completely different
>realms, are with unmentionable power to effect change.
Power is an ego aspect. To me power is a side effect of the spiritual
quest. Many seekers start this way, seeking power because they have none in
their lives. They seek to control outside because they cannot control
inside. Actually I started this way too, and now I seek enlightenemnt, and
one day I will stop seeking.
>just this material wealth how men tend to abuse it .. what would happen if
>real wealth is given to them ..
They do, but people also contribute their wealth, look at Bill Gates. I do
believe that wealth should be distributed in the world more evenly.
>...........christ said so.
>
>Anyways would you like Creams Bond of www.spiritquack.com fame, to sell
>quackery, marketed by phantom IDs to Mr. Sonof Gun, with, a gun for a son
>attitude, for $ 69.69? I would not
>
>Holier than thou, give us an ego break please. Holy master of secret
>knowledge you make me sick
>
>Then try IMRAB-3....... its a good deal
lol, good one.
>But for Gods sake, stop boasting, shut up or speak up, but don't boast
>
>Well sir, since when did I have to take your divine orders ..
You don't.
>If one genuinely has the heart to seek , if one geninely has intensity he
>will find..... I was spirituall awakened only a year ago.. till then I was
>atheistic & hedonistic wallowing in complete ignorance.
Me too and still am. Desire causes me untold pain.
>As for now I am done with this list, that is being merely used to make
>money
Bye. About money, Says who and how ?
>to provoke discussions, to find potential innocents , balanced with
>diplomatic comments that pacify, placate and pander.. As a 25 year old grad
>student in Aerospace Engg, in my graduating semester, I sure have better
>things to do, than to waste any more of my time squabbling
Squabbling, I would call this discussion and learning, exploring our own
egoic identities. Is'nt that valuable, does'nt that help us to learn in the
furnace ?
>with the egoistic, and being manipulated by devious spiritual quacks, whose
>objective is not truth for all but, $$ for self !!
Are you on crack ? Give me a break.
>with this website being a means.. The innocent, sensitive and serious
>seekers
Osho said that Seriousness is a disease. Although I would put myself in all
of the above.
>, who I see in the list, I convey my deep hearted regards to you and convey
>my opinion that single minded desperation to the goal will only and surely
>get you to it, I am but one of you
Why say goodbye twice ? Stay and learn, or leave and learn, personally I
think you should stay. We all learn a great deal from here, but perhaps you
had another reason to leave.
>Beating a strong urge to ignore this yap-yap and howl, I decided to say
>something,.. If by that I have offended your sentiments, that was not my
>intention.... Only, to speak about my perception of things.
Not at all, I wish more people would speak up.
>Yours in truth,
>
>Prahal
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