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Recieved: 2004/08/23 02:55
Subject: [K-list] Some Answers
From: prahalad purple
On 2004/08/23 02:55, prahalad purple posted thus to the K-list:
The truth is for everyone, there should not be pockets of secrets like this
very short sighted.. it will be used by someone to to achieve material ends, or satisfying gross ego with dangerous consequences. which is anti thesis to spiritual integrity
Todays Science is an infant and dwarfed system, emphasizing study with the senses about material and that which relates to matter, motivated by curiosity of the senses and satisfaction of the gross ego . This is a study is in the realm of the pind which is so limited. Its like making efforts to measure the diameter of our galaxy with a small sewing needle..
But this petty little knowldege has been misused and abused with very disastrous consequence .
The sciences of virat and brahmand, each of them of completely different realms, are with unmentionable power to effect change.
just this material wealth how men tend to abuse it .. what would happen if real wealth is given to them ..
...........christ said so.
Anyways would you like Creams Bond of www.spiritquack.com fame, to sell quackery, marketed by phantom IDs to Mr. Sonof Gun, with, a gun for a son attitude, for $ 69.69? I would not
Holier than thou, give us an ego break please. Holy master of secret
knowledge you make me sick
Then try IMRAB-3....... its a good deal
But for Gods sake, stop boasting, shut up or speak up, but don't boast
Well sir, since when did I have to take your divine orders ..
are much like the Indian caste system and I cannot agree with either although of course the higher caste were allowed to receive spiritual knowledge and the lower caste were shunned from all knowledge. Eventually one day the cycle broke, please lets not return to that cycle ever again. Truth for all.
well some philosophy is better than no philosophy eh...? but no philosophy is better than nonsense !!
About the Indian Caste system.. How over poilitisized it is...
For the real definition of the caste system, try reading this link, a translation of the vajra suchika upanishad, from the sama veda...
http://hinduwebsite.com/vajrasuchika_intro.htm
As about truth for all... .. The life of all men was divided into 4 stages.. the brahmacharya, grihasthashrama, vanaprastha and sanyasa... brahmacharya , was required to remain celibate understand the truth , all were given equal knowledge of the truth .. this also taught and developed moral restraint, integrity and virtue (dharma). next grihasthashrama , where a man married and had children and worked and got contentment from the world ( artha, kama, :- money and desire) , vanaprastha, , retiring to the forest.. when a man fulfilled his obligations to the society and family, he renounced his material possessions and retired to the forests with his wife , where his life emphasized on kama and moksha.. ( outgrowing the kama or desire gradually ) and then sanyasa , when he renounced all pleasures and devoted his life solely to attain moksha.. thus the right way to liberation was dharmarthakamamoksha..Dharma-artha-kama-moksha) It was only during the first 2 stages that a caste existed..
more so during the second stage. Great teachers taught and considered all students as equal and discriminated only based on personal capacity, and observations that indicated the moral and other inclinations .. and not origin.. of course devious greedy exceptions existed, but have been blown out of propotion. During the grihastha , a man would learn from his father what the family buisness was and try to excell in it, this way there was more coherence in the family, motivation and passion for work and encouraged bond and unity in the family.. ofcourse anybody wanting to do different would do so. Also inter-caste marriages were absolutely normal .
In the vanaprastha and sanyasa again there was no distinction of caste and a man integrally existed either by himself or with his spouse and meditated on the self by himself. until he attained liberation ( which was or was not successful ). and through rebirth the whole cycle happened once again.
Each of the castes had their own methods and practices , acquiring a variety of spiritual wealth and were kept discrete and distinct from each other as a person whose body is seasoned in one way, would react adversly to a method not suitable to it.. that is the very fundamental concept of ishta devta, but knowledge began to die out, and only the method of the brahmins lingered around which was also in the process of decay.. ( only because their duty during the grihasta still emphasized and revolved around knowledge )
this knowldge of the self was never recorded prior to that, it was taught only through transmission and telepathic suggestions guiding one to understand the truth through silence, which is the easiest and the surest way.. but impending decay, the sages were forced to record the basics of theses truths as smriti , (the name indicating the ones that were taught as such). they were the last remants of the basic truths expressed in as conscise terms as possible and also in the form of symbolizations and metaphorical descriptions that conveyed to the seeker the truth in the clothes of lores. that is the reason , though a very little, the knowledge is still surviving .
In the last millinea, most of this has been destroyed, after the decay set in, and the empires became weak, the muslim invaders who invaded india destroyed splendorous and magnificent buildings because it had the artful symbolizations of this concept in stone and wood , plundered the gold and riches for centuries, and burnt the libraries . It is said that the oldest university known to man the nalanda university which was an international university burnt for months ..knowledge and the great sages were murdered and hence all that remained were dry symbolizations and an ignorant lot.. the practises then became even more gross, solidified and superficial.. the invasions and murders continued and the decay worsened .. thats why last of budhists left to China.
If you were wondering... I am born a sudra.. of the lowest cast.
If one genuinely has the heart to seek , if one geninely has intensity he will find..... I was spirituall awakened only a year ago.. till then I was atheistic & hedonistic wallowing in complete ignorance.
As for now I am done with this list, that is being merely used to make money, to provoke discussions, to find potential innocents , balanced with diplomatic comments that pacify, placate and pander.. As a 25 year old grad student in Aerospace Engg, in my graduating semester, I sure have better things to do, than to waste any more of my time squabbling with the egoistic, and being manipulated by devious spiritual quacks, whose objective is not truth for all but, $$ for self !!, with this website being a means.. The innocent, sensitive and serious seekers, who I see in the list, I convey my deep hearted regards to you and convey my opinion that single minded desperation to the goal will only and surely get you to it, I am but one of you
Beating a strong urge to ignore this yap-yap and howl, I decided to say something,.. If by that I have offended your sentiments, that was not my intention.... Only, to speak about my perception of things.
Yours in truth,
Prahal
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