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Recieved: 2004/07/01 18:07
Subject: [K-list] Re: Maitraya, The Future Buddha/Christ
From: Stephen Kowalchuk
On 2004/07/01 18:07, Stephen Kowalchuk posted thus to the K-list:
Hello all.
For your consideration -- Tao te Ching, chapter 11:
Thirty spokes meet at a nave;
Because of the hole we may use the wheel.
Clay is moulded into a vessel;
Because of the hollow we may use the cup.
Walls are built around a hearth;
Because of the doors we may use the house.
Thus tools come from what exists,
But use from what does not.
Osho wrote that bliss is like a spring. By removing that which obstructs
us from experiencing bliss (rocks, etc), we can taste the sweet stuff. The
spring exists, is natural, like the bliss. Once the rocks (limiting
beliefs, or whatever) are cleared, things flow. No effort. Tools come
from what exists -- tools to help us understand, embrace, merge, become --
but use -- or the value gained from the work of removing/repositioning
those limiting beliefs -- comes from openness and flow.
Im my universe, the process of clearing is like the process of moving these
rocks and creating a pond for the spring to accumulate in. We keep the
rocks nearby (to remember). We use them to line our pond, to give it
strength and facilitate the flow. We allow ourselves the indulgence of a
personal vision (how the pond is configured) which suits us. But in the
end what's important is not the rocks, the spring, or even us or our
visions. It's the whole process, including all those things. That's
enlightenment. My participation in the process, from my point of view, is
ecstasy.
As these things are quite subjective, your mileage may vary.
Steve
At 12:02 PM 7/1/2004, you wrote:
>Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 15:18:06 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Jeffrey Brooks <jhananandaATyahoo.com>
>Subject: [K-list] Re: Maitraya, The Future Buddha/Christ
>To: K-listATkundalini-gateway.org
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<snip>
>I believe the central theme is if one is free of
>suffering all of the time, or at least most of the
>time, then we could say that person is "enlightened."
>
>In one of his ways of describing enlightenment the
>Buddha called it being free from suffering (dukkha).
>He also called is a "pleasant abiding in the here and
>now," because in his estimation that state also came
>with being soaked and saturated with ecstasy (jhana).
<snip>
>Ecstasy, according to the masters who articulated it
>(Buddha, Dogen and Saints Theresa of Avail and John of
>the Cross, just to mention a few), ecstasy is a
>subjective state that arises as a consequence of a
>contemplative life. Since I lead a contemplative
>life, and I have given rise on a daily basis to
>subjective states that seem to correspond to what the
>Buddha called jhana, which was just his culture's word
>for ecstasy, then I can confirm his assertion.
>Ecstasy in my experience does come from a daily
>contemplative practice that seeks tranquillity.
>
>I believe "mychick eleven" is correct that we simply
>stop worrying about it and everything else. Certainly
>bliss, or ecstasy must be a condition that is free of
>anxiety, resentment and other forms of stress.
>
>But, is it the ecstasy that eliminates the anxiety and
>stress (dukkha)? Or, is it the elimination of the
>stress that brings about the ecstasy? I have found it
>is both leading a life that is as free of stress as
>one can, and cultivating the subjective states of
>ecstasy, which seem to wash away the anxiety, as well
>as inspire us to lead a stress free life.
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