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Recieved: 2004/04/14 19:17
Subject: Re: [K-list] Waves of bliss
From: Druout
On 2004/04/14 19:17, Druout posted thus to the K-list:
In a message dated 4/9/2004 7:44:30 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
brianlchaseATyahoo.com writes:
>I think I am entering an important phase now. I have
>just begun to pick up (several at a time) waves of
>bliss. I can almost phase lock to it but then it
>drifts.
>Am I on the right track? Sound familiar to you guys?
Dear Brian, List,
Wonderful! :))
Here's an interesting site re: bliss. :)
http://www.tassos-oak.com/online/06bliss.html
While I agree in part with David when he says "No it's not important at all,"
and it's true, I suppose, that one can become sidetracked, the bliss
experience is so powerful, I can't discount it as simply a "feel good" experience.
There is more to it than becoming a saccharine "bliss bunny" that Jeff refers
to. To discount the bliss experience strikes me as New Age Puritanism.
Historically, mystical bliss, has been something that has been actively
sought. It is also a signpost that the brain is releasing certain chemicals. The
bliss experience can bring one to a state of catalepsy, in which it is hard to
move, or it can allow one to go through life "chop wood carry water" with an
equanimity based on the joy of simply being.
To try to capture the bliss states is a bit like trying to capture the wind.
I find "gratitude" and non attachment are two ways of sustaining it. To try
to hold on to it, or to try to recapture is futile in my experience. I have
experienced wondrous bliss--so powerful was it enough experience to last a
thousand lifetimes. It has reduced to a dull roar, and now to a whisper. The
bliss is still there. It is my perception of it that has softened. This goes
along with Swami Shivom Tirth's suggestions that some things depend on the
consciousness that observes them.
In my experience, the bliss state is part chemical, and part perception.
When a searcher asked Ramana Maharshi "how to get Bliss? Maharshi responds:
Bliss is not something to be got. On the other hand you are always Bliss.
This desire is born of the sense of incompleteness. To whom is this sense of
incompleteness? Enquire...What has interposed between that Bliss and this
non-bliss? It is the ego. Seek its source and find you are Bliss."
Love, Hillary
And Jeff writes:
>One should pursue ecstasy within oneself.
>Often it is heard that one should avoid the ecstasies
>of the absorption states, because one might become
>"addicted" or "side tracked." <snip>
>The historic Buddha said, bliss and ecstasy "should be
>pursued ... it should be developed ... should be
>cultivated, and ... should not be feared."
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Majjhima Nikaya 66:
The Buddha describes the bliss of jhana: ‘This is called the bliss of
renunciation, the bliss of seclusion, the bliss of peace, the bliss of enlightenment.
I say of this kind of pleasure that it should be pursued, that it should be
developed, that it should be cultivated, that it should not be feared.’
from:
http://www.thebuddhistsociety.org.uk/samma_samhadi.htm
The bliss of letting go:
http://www.saigon.com/~anson/ebud/ebmed075.htm
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