To: K-list
Recieved: 2004/03/29 19:34
Subject: Re: [K-list] You & Me
From: K-list owner
On 2004/03/29 19:34, K-list owner posted thus to the K-list:
At 10:53 PM 28/03/2004, Rita Metermaid wrote:
>We get so many mails from yahoo with advertisements
>and spam text in them that i don't even read the
>disclaimer header and footer in the mails from this
>list any more (yes, this list is not yahoo, but
>everyting else in my mailbox of lists is except for
>one). I skip right over them as i do with all
>non-material parts of mails. . . It is just one more
>piece of text in the mailbox that i don't even read. .
>. I don't read the headers and i don't read the
>footers.
You don't snip them either.
>And you have made a mistake in not simply admitting
>that you made a simple mistake.
I haven't.
>Better still, rather than delete my posts each
>January, i just won't post to the list anymore, which
>will save you the aggravation of counting snippage
>quotas.
Heh, the old "take my ball and go home" gambit. We keep the integrity of
the archives.
>NO ONE "had to be" the queen of nonsnipping,
>Mystress... It is ONLY because you have an
>"attachment" to snipping that makes you focus your
>energy and attention on it. You could just let
>unsnipped posts roll off your back like water on a
>duck. . .
Here is one salient fact which you let roll off your back. The list
archives are privately hosted, at present the archives take about 450 mb of
storage space. Do a websearch and find out what it costs to host such a
large account? I have moved the gateway site about 5 times so far. Last
time I moved to a provider where I got a good deal for more storage than I
need, but that has not always and may not always be the case, so it is
important to be frugal with the archive storage, and minimize useless
repetition.
Last week I managed to get a 6 month extension on the discount
previously negotiated, and in the next 6 months I'll be watching for sale
notices from my provider, hoping to renew at a good rate because moving to
a different provider is usually about a week's work, and moving the
archives again would mean moving the list again.
The meter is running, Ms. Metermaid. You double park, and I am the one
who puts the extra coins in the meter.
> Think of the energy freed up by not having
>to pay attention to who has the worst record for not
>snipping?
Well, it wasn't really like that. I was doing the work, using "search&
replace" to delete the spam footers, and snipping those posts while I was
at it. Your name kept coming up, I dubbed you "Queen of non snipping" to
amuse myself instead of getting annoyed at it.
>Better yet - you could delegate the task of
>trimming posts for the archives to someone else who is
>not attached in the same way as you are - to someone
>who is more suited for that sort of grunt work. . .
Like when you offered to help with the links, wasted my time explaining
what was to be done, and then made excuses instead of actually doing
anything? Such a pedestal you stand on, thinking that since snipping is
beneath you there ought to be some lowly grunt who will do it for you.
Someone whose time is less valuable than that of your queenly self?
>And you never did answer my questions. Which person
>posted the most bytes of all and took up the most
>storage and mailbox space? Which person was the
>biggest frequent flyer with the most number of posts?
It doesn't matter. Genuine posts are welcomed, but useless repetition
is wasteful, in so many ways. It is not just me, either. In every poll on
the list guidelines, snipping has come up as an issue important to the
members. It is not me you defy, it is the will of the list, as a whole. It
is the mailbox of every member.
> > What is funny, is I was not actually thinking of
> > you when I wrote that
> > essay about passive aggression, last week, but you
> > are validating it very
> > generously, and I find that darn funny!
>
>
>I haven't read that post yet. . . but am not surprised
>that you would try to accuse me of being passive
>aggressive. . . . I am many things, but passive
>aggressive is NOT one of them.
That statement makes it even funnier! ROTFLOL!!
>I am on more than 50 lists... No other list owner
>bothers this much about snipping.
You are on 49 free, yahoo lists... and this one. I'm amazed you have
time to handle so many.
>I would suggest that you look at your attachment to
>snipping.
I would suggest that you look at why you are being so defensive of what
you claim is simple forgetfulness.
>It is your list and you may do with it as you please -
>that is always your prerogative and your right.
>
>But when a subscriber honestly just plain always
>forgets about snipping, for you to label it as
>anything more sinister than forgetfulness, then it
>says something about you.
That I am observant and perceptive? :)
>And for you to have made the discovery about the
>volume of my lack of snippage two months ago and
>waited this long tells me that snippage is not the
>issue for you. . . If you were sincerely concerned
>about my lack of snippage, you would have sent me that
>remindergram when you realized the problem. But it
>wasn't important enough for you to mention then.
You make a lot of assumptions. Among the posts I snipped was another
thread where you were making these same excuses, and a similar threat to
unsubscribe, and then excuses why you could not unsubscribe. At that time
you even left a post unsnipped deliberately, saying it was so I could see
there were no unsub instructions at the bottom... which was completely
wrong, the link at the bottom of each post is it.
It seemed pointless to remind you in Jan, and I was busy with other
work. It came up for me again, because you did it again, coinciding with me
negotiating an extension of my hosting account. My reminder was sent
privately, you reposted it to the list with your lengthy diatribe.
Unrepentant, you just tried to repost Forrest's private mail too, but
because the K-list address was CC: not To: it went to the moderators, and I
rejected it. I wonder if that was before, or after you posted saying you
would lurk from now on? ;)
>I forget lots of things - i go to the grocery store
>and come home without things my family has asked for
>all the time. I write myself notes so i remember to do
>things. I will most likely continue to forget to snip.
Then I suggest you put a post it note on your monitor to remind yourself.
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