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Recieved: 2004/03/22 00:05
Subject: Re: [K-list] No Desire
From: Doug Fraser
On 2004/03/22 00:05, Doug Fraser posted thus to the K-list:
At 06:40 PM 3/20/04 +0000, Rick Mayweather wrote:
>Or specifically lack of desire i'm struggling to understand what's going
>on. It's very disorientating.
>....
>Buddha says desire and attachment are the cause of all suffering, so
>that's great, some
>self validation that i'm on the right path.
perhaps a different way to explain this would be to say "being ruled by
desire causes
suffering". if you aren't attached to the best possible outcome (what you
want), then when
it doesn't happen, you say "oh well" and go on. It's about going with the
flow of life and not
fighting it (to bring in the Tao here)
>Is desire replaced by Self connected to the Great Spirit, who guides us,
>or is this a false
>understanding. How can life function without desire ?
define "desire". There are several meanings implicit in that word -
motivation, drive, needs....
my understanding of things is that once the ego based stuff gets dealt with
(in whatever manner)
more and more of one's actions are motivated by an growing intuitive
awareness - your ego based
desires may clash with this, and that's where the suffering comes in. but
at least for me, there
seems to be a more insistent force propelling me - the Self. You could
look at that as "desire"
too but it is a deeper desire coming out of something more than than the
ego. And the trick
is to not succumb to the fears of the ego in following this.
>Is "desire" and "sensual desire" the same thing ?
no
>Are there resources out there that can help me out here, or anyone ?
>
>I feel lost.
correct me if I am wrong, but I think I am getting the sense that there is
this deep
emptiness you feel inside? I have been there - you may be on the verge of
a "dark night
of the soul". Or perhaps just depression - check with a therapist at
least, but if it really is
a "dark night of the soul", don't escape it with anti-depressants. My
understanding of what
I went thru was that the old, not constructed by me, self had to die in
order to bring forth
another me/self - one closer (but still not "there") to the true Self.
But if one don't understand this sort of thing as a spiritual process,
medication and suicide
attempts usually follow. I should emphasize one should always check with a
therapist to
try and get a handle on what exactly is going on - depression can arise
from other things as
well (general life problems, etc). It's always an indication that
something is out of whack though
and blindly taking anti-depressants isn't the answer.
doug
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