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Recieved: 2004/03/08 16:33
Subject: Re: [K-list] Does Kundalini flow mean chakras are open below
From: Druout
On 2004/03/08 16:33, Druout posted thus to the K-list:
In a message dated 3/7/2004 2:46:49 PM Pacific Standard Time,
rick_mayweatherAThotmail.com writes:
>How do you know when a chakra is open ? I have felt chakras become active
>before, but do you always feel them active ? As a source of consciousness.
Dear Rick,
Ken Wilber in a chapter called "Are The Chakras Real" in *Kundalini Evolution
and Enlightenment* writes:
"...Ramana Maharshi--who otherwise discounted the reality of the chakras as
far as spiritual sadhana was concerned--acknowledged that specific areas of the
body seem best to contain the different degrees of "freed up" bliss. "
Personally I always felt the chakras as pleasure centers. From the bliss of
Cosmic union (7), to the joys of intellectual thought (6), pleasures of
communication and creativity (5), Love (of course!) and compassion (4), pleasures of
food (3), of sex (2), of elimination (1).
(From the archives :)) )
http://www.kundalini-gateway.org/klist/k2001/k200101747.html
Wim (a former list member) responded:
1 existing physically, (root)
2 as well as creatively playful, (sacral)
3 acting with free will and a clear mind, (solar plexus)
4 loving, emotionally balanced, androgynous, (heart)
5 expressive and effective in vocational function, (throat)
6 and inspirationally, aspirationally as well as intellectually guided,
(brow)
7 In all, I am a human divine on this beautiful world in this wonderful
universe.(crown)
and he continued:
> When the these seven aspects are re-integrated... all around bliss is
> recovered... eh... re-discovered, really. Not the 'so so pleasures' that we
> tend(ed) to look for, but unconditional god-given, self-emanating bliss from
> which everything arises.
**********
They can all, of course be centers of pain.
The following quotes also comes from "Are The Chakras Real"
"Liberation, in short, is not the actual untying of these
knots, but the silent admission that they are already untied. Herein lies
the key to the paradox of the chakras: They are ultimately dissolved in the
realization that they need not be dissolved."
<snip>
>So I can feel the energy at my heart chakra, but does this mean the chakra's
>below are already open ?
>I am confused here, because it would appear to me that by feeling the
>Kundalini at higher chakras does not mean that the chakras below are open.
>I believe it merely means that they are partially open, enough to pass a
>little amount of Kundalini through.
Swami Tirth writes A Guide to Shaktipat by Swami Shivom Tirth
"All chakras are pierced simultaneously to various degrees. Work on some
chakras could be so slow that one may not experience anything. Some other
chakra may be pierced through more intensely, and the Kriyas related to that chakra
would be equally intense. Therefore, the aspirant could misunderstand that
even when a particular chakra is not pierced, another chakra which would seem
to be next on the ascending order is already pierced. ...In the same way
Shakti can be experienced flowing up and down. If it goes up and one experiences a
heavy head, one-pointed mind and bliss, it does not mean that the lower
chakras were not pierced and that shakti reached the top without going through the
lower chakras. The truth is that the lower chakras were definitely pierced to
some extent."
>So does a chakra have to fully open in the etheric body, to allow the
>Kundalini to flow onwards, or can the chakras open partially and allow some
>Kundalini through.
I would say yes. Certain blocks can be "revisited" by the energy. I would
say they are prone to closing back down and often need new work.
It took me a while to relate physical sensations in the body to actual
chakras. I think one is more apt to feel the blocks (pain) because we forget that
the normal sensations of the body can be interpreted as pleasure. We take for
granted so many of them! When all the centers are freed from the tensions of
pain--physical and intellectual--the body responds by releasing one-Self to
bliss.
Love, Hillary
>Ultimately it does'nt matter, however intellectually I find it interesting
>to understand and somehow answer this question and try to understand the
>process.
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