To: K-list
Recieved: 2004/02/25 03:06
Subject: Re: [K-list] Play
From: Noel Kaufmann
On 2004/02/25 03:06, Noel Kaufmann posted thus to the K-list:
I don't get the focus of these postings. I just joined and asked the moderator a question specific to my case/interests for Kundalini but haven't heard back. So far, to be honest, I'm just seeing a lot of disjunctive (if occasionally intriguing) ramblings. I suppose that's better than single-minded spiritual purity! Dangerous...
Noel K.
Sit, be still, and listen,
because you're drunk
and we're at
the edge of the roof.
- Rumi
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Mystress Angelique Serpent
>To: K-listATkundalini-gateway.org
>Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 3:03 PM
>Subject: Re: [K-list] Play
>
>
>
>At 05:46 AM 19/02/2004, Lobster wrote:
>>> Richard Burton's translation advocates the kidnapping and rape of
>>> unwilling lovers...
>>
>>Sir Richard Burton (the dervish) may have translated all kinds of things
>>(in fact from what I know of him - he did)
>>Some were not to be taken literally except by
>> . . . those who take these things in such a way
>>
>>He could of course have been a kidnapper and rapist
>>but I doubt it.
>
> Perhaps all his lovers were willing... :)
>
>>I have only read a couple of articles on him so know very little.
>>He probably felt Victorian England needed
>>to be scandalised but I don't know enough to comment too much
>
> I think scandalizing Victorian England would be like shooting fish in a
>barrel.
>
>>We read into things our own noise
>>and then when we quieten down we are able to
>>listen and acknowledge the wisdom that surrounds us
>
> "The devil can quote scripture for his own uses.." as do we all!
>
>>And funny thing - that wisdom does not come from us.
>
> Not from the little us, but the larger I AM of which we are part.
>
>>Dervishes such as the Bektashi were accused
>>(in patriarchal Islam) of all kinds of impropriety
>>and illegality because they invited women
>>to their meetings (today in the West it would be shocking if women
>>were excluded).
>>
>>Dervishes also have a habit of talking
>>of internal states in terms of
>>intoxication (advocating illegal wine drinking)
>>slavery (advocating repression)
>>and so on . . .
>
> My own work is sometimes similarly misinterpreted. ;)
>
>>In a similar way the Tibetan Book of the Dead
>>refers to inner mystical states
>>rather than a manual of what no one has ever written
>
> Indeed... the book of life. Spiritual path.
>
>>(dead people can not write)
>>so we rely on the 'telepathy' of attendant scribes . . .
>>. . . but then we believe what pleases us . . .
>>The mundane, the ridiculous, different layers of truth . . .
>
> What do you believe?
>
>>> and at any level, true compliments can be delicious. They can be
>>> pleasant even if they are not true, o wise humble beautiful enlightened
>>> Lobster.
>>
>>Only to the egoic.
>>I have no interest either way.
>
> True compliments are a spontaneous love offering... but often when
>complimented, I wonder what the speaker is wanting from me.
>Flattery=manipulation.
>
>>The question is really of where one is coming from
>>inflated sense of self
>>or inflated capacity to serve (other than oneself)
>
> Where are you coming from?
>
>>Boundaries are very important.
>>You too will understand this
>>from your own experience . . .
>
> o yea. Part of getting past my over-extreme empathic sensitivity, was
>recognising the signals of the power chakra indicating the body is not
>willing to be shared with another, at that moment. Staying in the body so I
>could hear them, because once empathy/intensity/ trauma of feeling other
>people's pain has knocked me out of body into the boundaryless state, it is
>too late... and from that state, there are no boundaries, so no boundaries
>to respect and defend... and very little ability to say no to what others
>desired of me, projected onto me.
>
> This ADD blink-out effect of getting knocked out of myself by any
>invasion, threat or intensity, and becoming what others projected, got me
>date raped in my 20's, more times than I care to count... not that I blame
>the men. I sure blamed myself though, the morning after when I'd return to
>my body and beat myself up for not being able to say no.
>
> Putting the body boundaries first, is a discipline I am still mastering.
>
>>Some say it is the emptiness that makes the boundaries of the vase
>>meaningful
>>and some that without the container of the vase, the space would
>>be without value . . .
>
> Yes.
>
>>>>for which I am grateful (thanks Angelique)
>>>>Hopefully it will be used to good effect.
>>>
>>> I trust that it will. Want a new home for the exxo list? I can
>>> provide that too...
>>
>>Many thanks
>>it has changed into another form.
>>Good idea - set it up and bring the gang
>>Let me know and I will find any stragglers . . .
>>:-)
>
> I would not have much time to participate, unfortunately. I can set it
>up, and then send you the admin password so you can fine tune it as you
>please. You will probably understand the admin tech jargon better than I do.
>
> The folks I invited last time, displeased you... so I'll let you select
>a gang of your own choosing. If you like, I can run my exo archives through
>a program that will gather all the addresses of past members who posted,
>and send it to you.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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