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Recieved: 2004/02/24 20:03
Subject: Re: [K-list] Play
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent
On 2004/02/24 20:03, Mystress Angelique Serpent posted thus to the K-list:
At 05:46 AM 19/02/2004, Lobster wrote:
>> Richard Burton's translation advocates the kidnapping and rape of
>> unwilling lovers...
>
>Sir Richard Burton (the dervish) may have translated all kinds of things
>(in fact from what I know of him - he did)
>Some were not to be taken literally except by
> . . . those who take these things in such a way
>
>He could of course have been a kidnapper and rapist
>but I doubt it.
Perhaps all his lovers were willing... :)
>I have only read a couple of articles on him so know very little.
>He probably felt Victorian England needed
>to be scandalised but I don't know enough to comment too much
I think scandalizing Victorian England would be like shooting fish in a
barrel.
>We read into things our own noise
>and then when we quieten down we are able to
>listen and acknowledge the wisdom that surrounds us
"The devil can quote scripture for his own uses.." as do we all!
>And funny thing - that wisdom does not come from us.
Not from the little us, but the larger I AM of which we are part.
>Dervishes such as the Bektashi were accused
>(in patriarchal Islam) of all kinds of impropriety
>and illegality because they invited women
>to their meetings (today in the West it would be shocking if women
>were excluded).
>
>Dervishes also have a habit of talking
>of internal states in terms of
>intoxication (advocating illegal wine drinking)
>slavery (advocating repression)
>and so on . . .
My own work is sometimes similarly misinterpreted. ;)
>In a similar way the Tibetan Book of the Dead
>refers to inner mystical states
>rather than a manual of what no one has ever written
Indeed... the book of life. Spiritual path.
>(dead people can not write)
>so we rely on the 'telepathy' of attendant scribes . . .
>. . . but then we believe what pleases us . . .
>The mundane, the ridiculous, different layers of truth . . .
What do you believe?
>> and at any level, true compliments can be delicious. They can be
>> pleasant even if they are not true, o wise humble beautiful enlightened
>> Lobster.
>
>Only to the egoic.
>I have no interest either way.
True compliments are a spontaneous love offering... but often when
complimented, I wonder what the speaker is wanting from me.
Flattery=manipulation.
>The question is really of where one is coming from
>inflated sense of self
>or inflated capacity to serve (other than oneself)
Where are you coming from?
>Boundaries are very important.
>You too will understand this
>from your own experience . . .
o yea. Part of getting past my over-extreme empathic sensitivity, was
recognising the signals of the power chakra indicating the body is not
willing to be shared with another, at that moment. Staying in the body so I
could hear them, because once empathy/intensity/ trauma of feeling other
people's pain has knocked me out of body into the boundaryless state, it is
too late... and from that state, there are no boundaries, so no boundaries
to respect and defend... and very little ability to say no to what others
desired of me, projected onto me.
This ADD blink-out effect of getting knocked out of myself by any
invasion, threat or intensity, and becoming what others projected, got me
date raped in my 20's, more times than I care to count... not that I blame
the men. I sure blamed myself though, the morning after when I'd return to
my body and beat myself up for not being able to say no.
Putting the body boundaries first, is a discipline I am still mastering.
>Some say it is the emptiness that makes the boundaries of the vase
>meaningful
>and some that without the container of the vase, the space would
>be without value . . .
Yes.
>>>for which I am grateful (thanks Angelique)
>>>Hopefully it will be used to good effect.
>>
>> I trust that it will. Want a new home for the exxo list? I can
>> provide that too...
>
>Many thanks
>it has changed into another form.
>Good idea - set it up and bring the gang
>Let me know and I will find any stragglers . . .
>:-)
I would not have much time to participate, unfortunately. I can set it
up, and then send you the admin password so you can fine tune it as you
please. You will probably understand the admin tech jargon better than I do.
The folks I invited last time, displeased you... so I'll let you select
a gang of your own choosing. If you like, I can run my exo archives through
a program that will gather all the addresses of past members who posted,
and send it to you.
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