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Recieved: 2004/01/18 03:36
Subject: RE: [K-list] Re: [kundalini_p] Applied and Sustained Concentrat
From: Rich

Hi Jeff,

I've enjoyed to read of your experiences with Jhana practise and glad you
can contribute on this list. I found also that the Buddha followed Jhana
practise (http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/awakening101/janas.html),
although it is not said if he followed this to Enlightenment.
[For anyone interested, I found this site describing the 8 Jhana states.]

I'm interested to hear how well your 'absorption' states can be brought into
your normal waking life. It is one thing to meditation for 4 or 5 hours in a
day and something else to live and be in the here and now unimpeded.

My own experience follows Hillary's to a degree that if clear of emotional
baggage meditative states seem more a natural experience rather than
something reached for.

Reading both your own and Guy's post it seems there is emptiness within and
there is emptiness without. Does this make any sense? Not so easy to explain
but just noticing the feeling in your words and Guy's there is a difference.


> I find people in the throws of the spiritual awakening (kundalini) I know
> what will help them is cultivating a calm and still mind through a daily
> meditation practice. Because that is what I did, and it carried me
> through the other
> side of the dark night.

Yes, I wonder that, is it possible from focussing on singular aspects of
self, that it may deny the greater and all encompassing aspects?


> Asking one who is suffering to simply stop thinking and worrying, is like
> asking someone with a headache to stop having the headache. I do not
> think one
> asking you for an aspirin would be please with such a response.

Hmmm. We could turn the headache over to divine and let it knead it better
or we could absorb ourselves into something else and forget the headaches
presence. Is the second as effective or as lasting?


> However one with a nondualist view alone, has not yet gotten to
> absorption
> (jhana), nor will one, without meditation.

Is absorption absolutely necessary? It almost seems like your imperative.


> There are eight absorptions
> (Jhanas) beyond emptiness, but I do not believe one will get to them
> without a
> contemplative practice regimen.

But here you say 'I do not believe' one will get to Jhana, but, before you
say 'nor will one' (get to Jhana) without meditation.

How can I be certain in what you do not appear certain about. Rich (Going to rest in py-jhana's)

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