The Troll Threads.
--- In Kundalini-Gateway@yahoogroups.com, druout@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 1/5/2003 9:55:08 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> drdaryl@y... writes
>
>
> > I tell you what, kundalini doesn't have anything to do with such
> > things. There is only one symptom of kundalini awakening, and that is
> > an unalloyed realization of your unity with everything.
> > > > > > Dear Drdaryl,
> > That is certainly one symptom of K awakening! :))
That is the only symptom.
>
> > Others may think that kundalini go through a process of ascending from
> > one chakra to the next over a certain period of time (weeks, months,
> > years, lifetimes) before it reaches the medullary center. This isn't
> > true.
>
> I would respectfully suggest that there are many ways Kundalini Shakti,
> the
> awakening of spiritual energy, can manifest itself.
I wasn't speaking about manifestation. There is no question of manifestation. Kundalini doesn't need to manifest because its already there. It is about its ascension.
> While Swami Shivom Tirth
> says in *A Guide to Shaktipat* that "all chakras are pierced
similtaneously
> to various degress," he goes on to say, "Work on some chakras could
be so
> slow that one may not experience anything. Some other chakra may be
pierced
> through more intensely...
Shivom Tirth doesn't know what he's saying *if* he was referring to kundalini here. Shakti doesn't necessarily mean kundalini. There are many types of shakti. Shakti is just energy.
>
> > Kundalini goes up one hit and could go back down one hit.
>
> That may have been your experience, but your experience is not a
universal
> one.
Huh?
> Some of us have more gradual experiences.
Aaah yes, but that is not kundalini. That is just the movement of prana, or some physical problems. Everyone have felt some sort of shooting sensation in the spine. Spasm or cerebrospinal fluid or blood or stress or etc. Kundalini is always sudden.
>
>
>
> > Kundalini won't ascend unless all these
> > hassles are taken care of. Other people feel shooting sensation
>
> Oh but it does! :))
Oh but no it doesn't! :))
> Happily Kundalini will help work with us clearing these
Avoid wishful thinking in the Path. You have beliefs about kundalini.
You have experiences that you attribute to kundalini. You are reading
things about it and have convinced yourself that you experienced it.
That is all. It is very common with people to want to think that they
are into something grand or important.
>
> > Other people feel shooting sensation in the
>
> Sure, maybe. But why are you so intent on discounting others'
I am not intent into discounting anything. Are you some sort of idiot?
I am simply saying that not all of such sensations can be rightly
attributed to kundalini. What's wrong with that? That there are many
factors. You must learn to listen, you cannot talk and listen at the
same time.
>
>
>
> > Between the medullary and coronal centers there is no bridge. Axial
> >
>
> See below for my response to this.
>
> Not always. K energy can engulf the entire body with no ill effects.
Engulf the what? Kundalini activity is localized vertically in the
cerebrospinal area, it doesn't engulf the body nor does it need to. If
kundalini rises through the ida nadi, your body will become too cold
for you to handle. Rising through the pingala nadi will make it too
hot, even to explode like a bomb and turned into ash straight away.
Lucky for you your kundalini is still sleeping in the muladhara.
>
> > But as soon as
>
> Not so that there is "no coming down from there." Many teachers
suggest
He wasn't referring to kundalini. You do not understand what you read,
you're a moron.
>
> Love, Hillary
>
> "hassles.
> > spine. This isn't necessarily kundalini. It may be spasm, or
> > cerebrospinal fluid that got stucked and freed, or prana (specially
> > when doing Kriya sadhana or any practice that plays with the breath).
experiences?
> > channel or sushumna is just from muladhar to ajna. So because there is
> > bridge from muladhar to ajna, fire can go up. But also it can go down
> > using same bridge. Okay? But because of some miracle when it finally
> > ascends all the way to coronal center, it is fixed. Why? Because no
> > bridge to use to go down. You see, dear friends, out of conscious
> > effort kundalini can be made to rise. First prana. Then prana enlivens
> > the chakras and pierces the knots. Then kundalini rises.
> > it rises in spinal chord, because it may rise in either one of the
> > crisscrossing sympathetic ganglia and you go boom.
> > kundalini ascends, the same it can go down. That is why I said its a
> > miracle when it goes all the way up the sahasrar because there is no
> > coming down from there. But no amount of effort can coerce kundalini
> > to go all the way to the top of the head. It is all by God's grace.
> > That is why in the Bible it says:
> bringing the energy back down to the heart. Sri Ramana Maharshi
says in v
> *Talks,* [sorry for the long quote, but the message is important]
> "If one concentrates on the Sahasrara there is no doubt that the
ecstasy of
> samadhi ensues. The vasanas, that is the latencies, are not however
> destroyed. The yogi is therefore bound to wake up from the samadhi,
because
> release from bondage has not yet been accomplished. He must still
try to
> eradicate the vasanas in order that the latencies yet inherent in
him may not
> disturb the peace of his samadhi. So he passes down from the
sahasrara to the
> heart through what is called the jivanadi, which is only a
continuation of
> the Sushumna. The Sushumna is thus a curve. It starts from the solar
> plexus, rises through the spinal cord to the brain and from there
bends down
> and ends in the heart. When the yogi has reached the heart, the
samadhi
> becomes permanent. Thus we see that the heart is the final centre."
>
> p.. 575.
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