To: K-list
Recieved: 2003/12/11 08:04
Subject: Re: [K-list] Empathy
From: Martin Kerr
On 2003/12/11 08:04, Martin Kerr posted thus to the K-list:
hi all,
sorry, i don't want to labour this point, and i'm not trying to,
but again, i felt these words.... apologies if it's boring....
and i post them in light heart, but with feeling. :-)
... and if you make it to the end, there's a vague point i suppose.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Bozzi" <david.bozzi AT_NOSPAM softhome.net>
>
> It must have gotten eaten by cyber-space.
> But as my Master says,
> "There are no coincidences."
>
glad to hear you have a master.
i was perhaps worried you wouldn't survive in the wild.
... or is this more of a Gollum <--> Hobbit interrelationship? :-)
sorry, please, i'm not making fun of YOU, just the wordage.
but.
if your master departs, what will there be of the slave's mind.
will it be empty, like the cup waiting to be filled?
or will it be laden with dogma and stagnation?
> When we react
> it is because we are not aware...
>
ahh... so true ... it's always good to recap. ;-)
> I wasn't aware that I always 'explode'.
>
it's probably a turn of phrase, not meant to be taken literally....
in human terms it means
"your words, when read by the average person, suggest a sense
of unnessecary energy, to which the reader feels intrepidation"
or something like that.
> But if I do
> it is intentional.
>
so, lets get this straight, cos i don't quite get that:
your saying that if you DO explode - something of which you say you are unaware
of doing....... then it IS intentional??
( NB above you say unawareness = reaction )
your saying that your unaware reaction to something you are unaware of
is actually an aware action with intention ???
either way it's sounds a little odd philosophically.
please, i'm not being bitchy, intentionally dumb or simply awkward here,
i simply don't get how you can say that.
not without laughing.
> This 'david' that you think you are seeing
> is mostly your own imagination.
>
i do think that in the past few days of reading that we got the point.
if there has been any further indication that we didn't ..then hey,
it's probably more to do with the colloquial use of our words
to talk about your WORDS.
not US talking about YOU.
> Trust me.
>
??? hmm.... do YOU trust your self ( based on the weird philosophy above ) ?
( and i don't need your answer. you do.
if you know it. cool.
unless you don't. )
the same goes for us all.
:-)
> 'david' is indeed not worth it.
>
shush. everyone is worth it - to me ( i speak as an activist, and other forms )
and i don't say that to YOU with any patronism, i say it simply.
it is the logic of love.
> The one's with the least maturity
> to let it go
> speak the loudest.
>
i am happy to be both immature and mature.
i am also happy to have respect for the arenas in which i speak.
> (though I suspect there are some quiet ones gritting their teeth)
if i grit my teeth. i'm not being quiet.
aye, i guess that's not what your meant, but it's a thought.
>
> Hety you claim you are a 'voice-reader'
>
> if you could hear my voice it would sound like
>
> this
>
>
er...hahahah.. ?
[ martin's expression is intentionally left blank ]
now now, sir, that's taken straight out of
"my first book of poor philosophical get out clauses"
and its a bit like groucho marx saying that he wouldn't be
a member of any club that would have him as a member.
please, again, i'm not being nasty here.
but if we're writing on a public discussion list then it's
probably easier for the public to figure out what
we are on about if we use a method of expression that
the general public understand rather than just our selves.
[ caveat emptor on un/intentional and respectful humour ]
and also, if we all, when asked to take a subject elsewhere,
simply say "okay, cheers, sorry for the intrusion".
it's a matter of simple respect.
if we have some "problem" with the way we are asked to
do this, we can take this up with the person who asked
- directly.
it's a matter of simple respect.
we do, as angelique has said, know the world is a "big nasty place"
out there, and so your post was never unwelcome in that sense.
simply misplaced... and that is not an issue with me.
my issue is that we, because the world is the aforesaid big nasty place
do not nessecarily have the local community to support those of
us with "kundalini (esque) 'problems' " [ by problems i mean those
things which in some of us can manifest as problems ]
... so we come here, to discuss THESE things, in mutual understanding
and exploration.
there is no need for your rhetoric.
[ and i say this in a soft voice, not an angry or sad voice,
not as a plea, just a simple observation without mind ]
it's a matter of simple respect.
i respect you, and i respect that you have whatever reasons
[ valid ones to you - and maybe others - it matters not ]
for saying this or that....
not sure i understand it all, but what the heck :-)
i do not assume you. i respond only to the words you posted.
i do not begin to think who you are, i don't need to.
yet i say these things in the voice of a friend, and i treat you as a friend.
not because of some allegience of reason.
but from simple love.
some may say it is wasted love. but that assumes a limited supply.
and connection and realisation of what we call K' seems to allow
that supply to become that which is unlimited.
but because of that, let us get on - and talk about how we feel about
the energies within ourselves, and the ways that we express those sensations,
and how we can help each other with those things...
let us guide each other, not push.
let us flow, without the turbulence.
in an embrace, not in a headlock.
let us explore our selfs involvement with kundalini, with love.
there are other places for other things.
within love and peace,
martin.
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