2003/12/09 02:59-Rich-RE: [K-list] OBE's

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Subject: RE: [K-list] OBE's
From: Rich

On 2003/12/09 02:59, Rich posted thus to the K-list:

Hi Oyvind,

The things you mention are noted as K effects
(http://members.aol.com/ckress/symptoms.html).

For the levitation. I can say from my experience the mind can create
illusion sometimes. It is possible but unlikely this is really happening.
When in subtle states our thoughts and intentions can become amplified and
seemingly more real than the external. I've had before the external change
but I suspect it is more the K influence of my own perceptions rather than
the external really changing.

My suggestion is as hard as it may be stay focussed on the mantra /
breathing / focus of the meditation and don't resist *or* give too much
attention to this stuff. It should pass.

If you follow this stuff, you get side tracked into something of less value
than the peace and contentment from just being.

K power tends to dissolve (or blast) stuff out of the body more readily if
surrendering (giving over the attachment or desire for attachment).

Waffle follows:

Recently, I recognised I get release on something and then think 'wow,
that's great' and I notice this is more thought patterns so eventually
noticed when I attached to this analytical type thinking at an early age.
Like a survival thing... How am I doing? Am I okay? This is nice? Blah blah
blah ... Pointless though as I don't need to think or affirm to myself
anything. Stupid mind trap :(

Rich

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> Hi everybody
>
> Sometimes I meditate lying down on my bed. A few times I have
> entered a state where
> 1) I observe my stream of thougts as "external noise"
> 2) I start hearing weird sounds, such as crackling/windy sounds
> 3) I feel like I start levitating. One of the times I actually saw
> the lamp in the roof come closer and closer..
>
> I have not managed to hold on to this state yet, and I am not sure if
> its safe to do so yet. In the beginning it felt a bit uncomfortable,
> reminds
> me of sleep-paralysis which I used to have in periods when I was younger.
> I feel more relaxed with it now as I get more used to it.
>
> Any comments/suggestions will be welcome :)
>
>
> Oyvind
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To: K-list Recieved: 2003/12/09 02:59 Subject: RE: [K-list] OBE's From: Rich

To: K-list
Recieved: 2003/12/09 02:59
Subject: RE: [K-list] OBE's
From: Rich