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Recieved: 2003/09/30 15:06
Subject: [K-list] Are shamans born or made?
From: Zuleika

On 2003/09/30 15:06, Zuleika posted thus to the K-list:




Hello,

I was recently reading Mystress's website and came accross the page on the difference between a shaman and an 'awakened person'.

http://www.kundalini-teacher.com/awakening/shamn.html

I found it quite interesting and wondered what she or anyone else had to say about my feelings regarding it.
I'd like to know how she reconciles the differences we read

about in the various texts about shamanism with her own rather rigid descriptions of what it takes to be a shaman and what they will experience.

My take on it is that everyone experiences the various elemental spirits in our own way, so although the final message may well be the same, the experience of it will always vary from person to person. her descriptions were, well, very exact and fixed.

Also, is she claiming that Michael Harner is not a capable shaman? As far as I know, he never had a shamanic illness.. How about his students....and what of dear Carlos and his lineage....Shabono talked about the initiation of a young lad in the village...he was kept smashed on whatever 'teaching plant' they used for a week, but they never mentioned an illness.
My feeling is that this person craves exclusivity, or has had

experiences with ill intentioned charlatans....who knows.

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