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Recieved: 2003/09/23 15:23
Subject: [K-list] Good fear/bad fear -- the understanding.
From: elargonauto
On 2003/09/23 15:23, elargonauto posted thus to the K-list:
> *The thing about fear is that it controls 'us' to a lesser or greater
> extent.
> *We don't have the choice, unless, the fear has been 'conquered' or
> detached
> *from.
>
> I don´t see the problem. If I´m at a dangerous situation of course
> there will be fear in the ambient and I´ll feel fear. It will help me to
> be
> more alert.
*Perhaps. I think of a time when I was caught in an unexpected rip current
*late in the day when darkness was falling, being quickly drawn into a very
*turbulent stream of mixed water currents. The swell was more than 6 foot.
*Swimming to the shoreline (not against the current) had no effect and I was
*out of my depth. Not only did I fear for myself but also a close friend who
*I had led into the water with me. We both failed to see the rip current.
*Fear in this situation made me panic and become shorter on breath.
Remaining
*calm and absent of fear no doubt I would have handled the situation better.
*I used to fear heights and would find myself when close to a steep drop,
the
*fear made me feel as if I was going to go over regardless of my attempt to
*control myself. This is what I mean by fear controlling 'us'.
Yep. On the other side you have the "adrenalin outburst" who helps
you concentrate and put your feet in reality in 0,.
I have had some experiences where I was in danger and all the time this
situation lasted I was "high".
I guess we have bad fear ( fear who freeze) / good fear ( fear who
helps you ). Personally I don´t know if the answer in dangerous
circunstances can change due to traumas. I would like to know if humans who
sitll live in nature answer to this dangerous situation panicking. I think
so ( that is caused for some sort of trauma) But I´m not really sure.
But what I´m really sure is that the only thing that can be done wih
any disruptive feeling is just "let it pass".
*To me, fear is the body going on auto-pilot regardless of logic. I do not
*see it so much as instinct. Perhaps in one footing if there was no held
*trauma then such situations would not come about.
It could be. :). But anyway, I don´t think real control is the
"control" we usually think of.
*It's these overriding or overwhelming fears which throw us into hysterical
*states and cannot be easily controlled which I try to understand and
reflect
*on. Some of it just seems 'too' much. To try and resolve or go into this
*stuff deeply does not usually work for me. I've tried and ended up worse
*than where I was before. Other times, like my fear of heights I got through
*it, by resolving the trauma. That wasn't hard.
The only thing that have helped me is "letting go". At least my
"fear answers" where so rooted in the system that I need a complete
restoration. That´s why I have been able to do so,too. And fighting and
resisting to it has only converted my body-mind in a battlefield. i.e. all
kind of disruptions.
> Fear have a plasticity. When it
> works
> well, the fear comes as fast as it goes. It´s like a child, he can be
> frightened and some minutes later he is not anymore. When we "fight"
> against
> it, it slowly lose that plasticity and then it starts storing in the
> system
> blocking it.
*Yes. But ever seen a bullied child?
Agreed. Add to this plasticity a knowledge of the world.
*I see a victim hood when I am writing about this. Quite interesting. I
think
*there is a sense of that in my own fears. But some situation I seem to be
*controlled more by fear than conscious will. This I would like to get
better
*at to where I can be undisturbed in any situation.
:). Serenity!The most precious of the jewels! :).
> It could be the basis for duality is the desire of
> "manipulation"
> of one men over others.
*And I thought it was only the women!
:).
elargonauto.
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