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Recieved: 2003/09/19 18:48
Subject: [K-list] Philosophical question
From: elargonauto
On 2003/09/19 18:48, elargonauto posted thus to the K-list:
Hola!
> You are going to the details and so you lose the
> general picture. If the mind is able to focus and concentrate
> steadily is because the mind fuction well. If the mind
> fuction well, is because the body fuctions well, as well. If
> the body system fuction well is because it forms a unity of
> harmony. So, wirh the harmony of the parts you reach the climax.
*Intelligence is symptome, manifestation of your general state,
*of the 'functioning of your body system' as you call it -you
*can't equate the quality level of your general state with
*intelligence which is merely one of its effects as you do
*-I'm only warning you about that. Intelligence is not it's
*root (no mather what the root is).
That´s precesely what I was telling. a good focus and concentration
are a cosequence of the harmony of the whole.
And the root is what matters. It´s the most important thing. If you can´t
visualize where are the roots and where are the branches, the you are lost
before starting. You should try rereading what I wrote. :).
> If you concentrate in "concentration" ( :) ) you are
> losing the picture.
*You're saying that if I, say, brought my mind in a state of
*focus and concentratation before placing it's attention to an
*object I would get an inferior 'picture' to the one I would
*get if I only placed my attention to an object?!
Nope. I´m saying that you are losing yourself in details.
> If you make exercises for concentration
> and focus what you are actually doing is "forcing" the mind
> to do things she doesn´t want to do.
*It depends on what you focus onto and on your mind itself. I
*belive the closer the quality of the object you're focusing
*on is to the quality of your mind the less energy and forcing
*is needed...
You use your mind as it was a tool. You use it to achieve goals.
That´s the failure in all you argument. You are explaining me how you can
transform yourself in a "homo mechanicus". The mind doesn´t need to be
directed, you don´t need to be directed. Otherwise you are seriously
limiting your freedom. I´m explaining how you can be in harmony with your
mind, so you achive the goals that you really want and desire in the botom
of your heart. Not, what you have been told or educated to do.
> So you are losing
> sensitivy wih it, the mind loses smoothness and the whole
> system is affected. Any "manipulation" only leads to oxidation.
*...so if you look at this thought of yours from that perspective
*it comes out that loosing 'smoothness' is natural if you focus
*on a different quality. The more considerable the difference in
*quality between the object you're focusing to and that of your own
*mind the greater loss in sharpness will occur. If you want to
*change the quality of the mind to one direction or to the other
*you can't escape "manipulating" it -why do you think the only
*result of manipulation would be 'oxidation' as one the only
*possible direction?!
Because you are going against yourself focusing your mind in a way it
doesn´t want naturally. Whenever you go against yourselve, conflict is
created and thus the whole system is damaged. i.e. oxidation.
For example. I can be four days reading a book six hours a day
absolutely focused and concentrated. And I fell very well after that. But if
I tried to read this same book as a meaning to achive concentration and
focus I will be pissed of in five minutes and don´t tell you the
consequences after four days.Why? Because I´m obligating myself to do
something I don´t wan to do, without necesity.
It´s like you are telling to me that you are not enough intelligent
to do what you think is correct and so you need to do another thing.
> You should "focus" instead in the mind and inside
> the mind, two particular things. In the whole system.
*It took some time for me to understand what you meant here
*-I would improve my eloquence if I was you :)
Thanks. You are very nice. :)
-- The phrase should say ...
You should "focus" instead in focus the mind and concentrate the mind,
two particular things. In the whole system.
Again, the same. Don´t loose in details, get the general picture.
Small mind plays with details, great mind take a flight a see all the scene
with perspective.
>
> The problem with the modern man is that he has
> forget to "think" with his whole body, he only think with the
> brain.
*By what definition has thinking to do with your physical body
*excluding the brain? You can give me a concrete example if you
*have trouble explaining.
Of course I can. I´m trying to resolve a problem and my leg is a pain.
Meeek! Imposible.
I have been all the day doing things and I´m trying to resolve a
dificult situation. I feel tired I can´t concentrate. Meeek! No way.
I´m thinking in accept or not a proposition. I have an ugly feeling in
my stomach who advice me not to do it. I don´t listen to it. Meeek! You are
in big trouble.
I have a problem with my girlfriend. I try hard and hard to
concentrate and I´m only going in circles. As much as I concentrate as much
my conclusions are stupid and squared. When I try to speak with her she
tells me that I don´t have heart, that I´m becoming as my computer. Meek!.
Another relationship to the bin.
I´m a genious and I´m at the end of my theory. There is a last
concept. A last thing to finish it. But I feel nervous and stressed and
can´t relax. I can´t get out of this. I can´t find the solution. Meeek! Your
body is palying you another bad joke.
> An precesely the brain is the easier organ to be manipulated.
*What logic did you use and how did you conclude that brain is
*easier to be manipulated than the other organs? Notice that
*you said that manipulating the mind is forcing -do you equate
*the two?
- Manipulation is the art of convincing other people of doing
something they don´t want to do ( and you want them to do).
- Forcing the mind is just an act of self-destruction. :).
You can take as an example our own society. You are being manipulated
since you are a child. Of course, people around you just try to do their
best, they are manipulated so they inocently manipulate you.
-- You should do exercise to be healthy ... everybody believes it.
Why? If everybody thinks is all right why shouldn´t be it?So you try and try
and try ... and your body tells all the time stop! stop! stop!
You can be convinced that exercise is good, that giving discipline to
your body is good, but your body is gonna shout you to stop until you are
dead. The body tells the truth, all the time. The mind is what is wrong. The
mind is what crossed to reality.
Chao!
elargonauto.
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