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Recieved: 2003/09/19 16:46
Subject: RE: [K-list] Philosophical question
From: Goran Starcevic
On 2003/09/19 16:46, Goran Starcevic posted thus to the K-list:
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> > I´m talking about Intelligence -- as the hability
> to adapt to
> > any situation. You can´t have a bright brain if your body
> is rotten.
> > It can´t be more clear. :).
>
>
> <But the ability to adapt (in absolute sense) is simply the
> function <of the ability to focus and concentrate on what you
> think is most <important to you and even your thinking of
> what is the most <important will be depending on how deep you
> can focus on the matter. <The better you focus, the better
> the choice you make and the better <the choices you do the
> better you'll adapt.
>
> You are going to the details and so you lose the
> general picture. If the mind is able to focus and concentrate
> steadily is because the mind fuction well. If the mind
> fuction well, is because the body fuctions well, as well. If
> the body system fuction well is because it forms a unity of
> harmony. So, wirh the harmony of the parts you reach the climax.
Intelligence is symptome, manifestation of your general state,
of the 'functioning of your body system' as you call it -you
can't equate the quality level of your general state with
intelligence which is merely one of its effects as you do
-I'm only warning you about that. Intelligence is not it's
root (no mather what the root is).
> If you concentrate in "concentration" ( :) ) you are
> losing the picture.
You're saying that if I, say, brought my mind in a state of
focus and concentratation before placing it's attention to an
object I would get an inferior 'picture' to the one I would
get if I only placed my attention to an object?!
> If you make exercises for concentration
> and focus what you are actually doing is "forcing" the mind
> to do things she doesn´t want to do.
It depends on what you focus onto and on your mind itself. I
belive the closer the quality of the object you're focusing
on is to the quality of your mind the less energy and forcing
is needed...
> So you are losing
> sensitivy wih it, the mind loses smoothness and the whole
> system is affected. Any "manipulation" only leads to oxidation.
...so if you look at this thought of yours from that perspective
it comes out that loosing 'smoothness' is natural if you focus
on a different quality. The more considerable the difference in
quality between the object you're focusing to and that of your own
mind the greater loss in sharpness will occur. If you want to
change the quality of the mind to one direction or to the other
you can't escape "manipulating" it -why do you think the only
result of manipulation would be 'oxidation' as one the only
possible direction?!
> You should "focus" instead in the mind and inside
> the mind, two particular things. In the whole system.
It took some time for me to understand what you meant here
-I would improve my eloquence if I was you :)
What you mean by differentiating 'in the mind' and
'inside the mind'?-)
Where did I say ideal foucus is the one inside or in the
mind? The ideal focus is the focus of your whole system
and not of just one of its patrs to an object -that's
obvious.
>
> The problem with the modern man is that he has
> forget to "think" with his whole body, he only think with the
> brain.
By what definition has thinking to do with your physical body
excluding the brain? You can give me a concrete example if you
have trouble explaining.
> An precesely the brain is the easier organ to be manipulated.
What logic did you use and how did you conclude that brain is
easier to be manipulated than the other organs? Notice that
you said that manipulating the mind is forcing -do you equate
the two?
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