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Recieved: 2003/09/17 19:44
Subject: [K-list] The cause of Schizophrenia in short ... by Osho!.
From: elargonauto

<Coincidentally I was having a similar private conversation. I suspect that
the concept of God comes from the K experience <rather than the k experience
coming from God.

        Yep. I agree with that.


<In order to try to describe these incredible experiences many early mystics
formed religions based partly on their previous <world/religious views.
Many religious founders IMO, seem to have been K active, from Jesus and
Moses to Mohammed <and the Buddha. But for me the cosmos is so complex we
are not really able to conceive of what we are let alone what <"God" is, so
I feel it is rather presumptuous for me to believe or not to believe in God.

         I think things are usually complicated, when in fact they are very
simple. It is a quesion of reality. It if everyone thinks that when is cold
you have to be naked, that this the best thing to do. And you are aducated
like this all your live. Until one day, you try to put some clothes and you
find that it is much more comfortable. I think it is a matter of this
reality and not something "cosmic".

         There is a lot spoken about being God, and have siddhis, and
experience bliss, but there is little about how to just stay in harmony and
live a long and happy live. I think that´s the point, and nothing else. And
that is about the only thing Zen Masters speak about.

         So, from my point of view. God have an utility, that is help people
to "let go". To live spontaneously, to stop grabbing to the "I-am-the-mind"
idea. But at the same time God-religions have a good handicap, that they are
planified too, as control institutions. We give you the cure but at the same
time the brainwash. We have the secret to help you have a nice life, but we
are using it to have a control over your life, manipulating this information
so it suites our interests.

         So, If you can have all the benefits of religion and none of his
"problems", what´s wrong with this?. It is just a matter of quality of
life.And in Zen you can see a living example of this, who have been
following a long and well stablished tradition from some hundreds years. And
you can take the knowledge from them.

        But here is somthing else, that is marvelous. That you don´t have to
invent it, because it is invented. So you don´t have to follow the path of
Buddha and just use what he discovered. The same we use what Einstein
discovered.

        So, once you have the knwledge you can decide to make another
religion. But that could be quite sad I think,.Again the same rotten
instituition. Why don´t just create a way of life, a philosphy?. Or, why
don´t just put this ideas in a way that is understable to everyone once for
all, without all this "cosmic" vocabulary.

        Personaly, this what I think it is all about ... " We are not the
mind, but the whole body". And there´s nothing else. Just a switch in the
human model, and how we see ourselves. And if peple start experimenting in
this way, in letting go, in stop "supressing" their feelings etc ... they
will be well pointed from the start. And they will make as much advance as
they need.
And when there is something who fail, they´ll now where to polish.

        Right now, I think the situation is confusing because people are
outside of religion but are still being manipulated. In other words, the
storm continues to throw thunders but they don´t have a house. They need
that new house, and they can build it by themselves and be finally free from
any institution. But of course, the factive powers are not goiing to agree.
:). And are going to use all his influence, as they already do, to make this
situation continue as much as they can. Not knowign that doing so they are
destroying society.


         I think I´m becoming and activist. :).


                                        elargonauto.



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