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Recieved: 2003/09/17 18:06
Subject: Re: [K-list] The cause of Schizophrenia in short ... by Osho!.
From: Druout

Dear Elargonauto,

I presume Osho is speaking nondualistically here! :))

Coincidentally I was having a similar private conversation. I suspect that
the concept of God comes from the K experience rather than the k experience
coming from God.

In order to try to describe these incredible experiences many early mystics
formed religions based partly on their previous world/religious views. Many
religious founders IMO, seem to have been K active, from Jesus and Moses to
Mohammed and the Buddha. But for me the cosmos is so complex we are not really
able to conceive of what we are let alone what "God" is, so I feel it is rather
presumptuous for me to believe or not to believe in God.

I've recently come across an interesting quote from Tantra, The Path of
Ecstasy by Georg Feuerstein:

"[Some Tantras] favor a somewhat more dualistic metaphysics, making a clear
distinction between the Lord and his creation. Early Tantra appears to have
inclined toward the kind of qualified nondualism that also characterizes the
teachings of many Upanishads. In the Kula-Arnava-Tantra (1.19) Shiva himself
reminds us that ultimately such distinctions belong to the finite realm and are
a matter of opinion:

"Some choose nondualism, others choose dualism. But they know my Reality as
transcending dualism and nondualism."

P. 126

A couple of Christian mystic perspectives:

Suso the German mystic said that in the "highest stage of union all
consciousness of self disappears and the soul is plunged into the abyss of the Godhead,
and the soul has become one with God."

and from Meister Eckhart: "God is really in him, and with him
everywhere...The whole business of his person adds up to God."

Quotes from Mysticism in the World's religions by Geoffrey Parrinder

Love, Hillary

In a message dated 9/16/2003 5:48:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
elargonauto AT_NOSPAM ya.com quoted:


> " Zen is the method to go beyond mind. So we will be
> discussing God and Zen together. God has to be negated, and Zen has
> to be planted deep in your being. The lie has to be destroyed and
> the truth has to be revealed. That's why I have chosen God and Zen
> together. God is a lie, Zen is a truth.."
> http://www.oshoworld.com/biography/innercontent.asp?
> FileName=biography10/10-59-god.txt
>
>

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