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From: JR
On 2003/08/29 16:19, JR posted thus to the K-list:
GOOD stuff! LOVE jr
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Subject: Forward from MAS Re: [K-list] Sharing (was Meditation)
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> At 06:48 AM 17/08/03, Hbarrett47 AT_NOSPAM aol.com wrote:
> >I have no doubt that the inability to speak about what is happening to us
> >contributes to the paranoia some of us go through. I hope you feel
relief
> >expressing yourself here even if the feedback is disappointing -- that's
> >the idea, I think. But I also have come to believe that the isolation of
> >awakening
> >itself, the fact that no one can experience our experience with us, is
> >part of the
> >cauldron that cooks the ego to a fine transparency.
>
> I think so too. Being unable to speak, forces us to turn inward and
> trust in ourselves and the power that moves us, instead of depending on
> external validation from other people to maintain our comfort zone.
>
> I observe a specific pattern: (unless one is awakened in a group
> context like an ashram or Yoga course,) the spontaneously awakened go
> through a period where it seems they are the only one in the world that is
> experiencing these things. This isolation changes once a certain level of
> self reliance and trust in the Divine is accomplished, you come out the
> other side and meet awakened people are everywhere!
>
> Then later, self realization makes a shift and it appears that
> everyone is enlightened, and it is hard to tell who is, and who thinks
they
> are not, till they open their mouths to say where they think love does not
> abide...
>
> With the list too... most people who find it, are already awakened,
and
> have been for some time. They have made the shift into faith, to the next
> phase where "satsangh" (spiritual company) is more useful than self
reliance.
>
> >We want people to KNOW
> >about these amazing and sometimes awful events that are happening to us,
> >but even when we tell them, it is unsatisfying. This dissatisfaction,
> >too, must be
> >surrendered. I do report in to my husband from time to time, for
> >example. He
> >is always interested, a little disbelieving, and very loving. I am
always
> >relieved when I speak my truth to him and always a little disappointed
> >that he
> >doesn't completely understand because he's not living in my body.
> Accepting,
> >even cherishing, this kind of disappointment has been a tremendous
release
> >for me.
>
> I know what you mean. I went through a peculiar shift of
> disappointment with communications, coming as a result of learning that
> some e-friends who had been reading and responding to my emails for
*years*
> did not actually understand what I was talking about! Really blew a hole
in
> my idea of myself as a writer, a good communicator. It felt really
lonely...
>
> It was frustrating to realize that human communication is like that
"Far
> Side" cartoon, "what we say to dogs... and what they hear." The filters
of
> perception.
>
> Each of us in our own universe, seeing only ourselves reflected. I stopped
> writing, for a while.
>
> Later, I had one student who seemed to have some real communications
> problems, hearing the opposite of what was said. I told her to send her
> false Divine Beloved into the Light, and she wrote back that she had sent
> it into the darkness many times and it came right back. ??!!??!!??!! !
>
> Whew! Talk about "not clear on the concept!" Dealing with her, made
me
> completely disillusioned of any confidence in my ability to communicate,
> teach... want to chuck the Fire Serpent Tantra course out the window,
> delete everything and run off to go paint nudes on the beach in Fiji like
> Gaugan... I nearly did, too! Instead, I recognised it as a signal to
> surrender everything...
>
> I came out the other side with a greater appreciation of the Shakti of
> communications, and have come to depend on it, as much or more than the
> words. Words are only the carrier for the energy communication. When I
gave
> it all to Goddess, the synchronicities among the students increased. An
> interesting pattern, of members thinking questions only to have the
> answered in the next lesson, and reading lessons and having life
experience
> confirm or clarify the meaning. An interesting and wonderful flow...
> Goddess has it handled.
>
> Speaking your truth, carries grace.
>
> Someone wrote to me recently, asking where on my sites I teach about
> pranayama. I responded:
>
> <<< There are no pages as you describe! I don't teach it, I don't
have
> to... as you discovered, if your body thinks you need to do it, you get
> the kriyas and do it spontaneously, and that is best. Same with toning,
for
> the most part.
>
> The difference I think, is the Shaktipat. Your previous teachers did
> not use Shaktipat to the same extent. I know the Shakti fire will transmit
> the knowledge needed, whether it is my knowledge or something from the
> collective.
>
> It is the same with Amitra, as mentioned previously elsewhere. My
> clients and students, and most Kundalites get amitra spontaneously, when
> the time is right without any effort at trying to force it. Just last week
> someone mentioned a strange taste in his mouth as the session was winding
> up. Amitra beginning to flow. I know visualizations to open the amitra
> channel deliberately, but rarely teach them because it is not
necessary....
> like with this client, Goddess provides.
>
> One reason I don't teach any kind of Pranayama is because it is most
> notorious for causing psychosis. I consider psychosis to be the worst
> hazard of K. When done deliberately and forcefully, pranayama can bring up
> more karma than an individual is able to handle, and cause psychosis and
> bizarre effects. Sometimes people get addicted to the high they get off
> pranayama, and do too much, get messed up. >>>
>
> Isn't it funny though, how persistently we try to express our
> experience and share our truths. Every sacred text ever written, is
someone
> trying to share their experience... and how seldom the message of the
words
> really gets through... but the energy, affects the receptive.
>
> >So I think that's our task as humans, k-awake or not, to communicate,
speak
> >our truth, and then surrender the outcome. Seems to me this is how we
best
> >serve Life.
>
> I came to the same conclusion. The energy of sharing is important,
> Goddess hugging herself, through us... the vibration of truth, is love and
> beauty. Words and intellectual communication is secondary.
>
> Always delightful to read your posts, Holly! :)
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