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Recieved: 2003/08/19 05:24
Subject: Re: [K-list] Sharing (was Meditation)
From: Julie D
On 2003/08/19 05:24, Julie D posted thus to the K-list:
Hi Holly & List,
>>>You might be interested in Christopher Bache's book, Dark Night, Early
Dawn (or something like that -- the book's in the bedroom and I don't want
to
wake up my husband!) because he writes about people sometimes opening up to
archetypal, collective experiences during awakening. He believes the
opening to the collective mind explains the hellish experience of some who
have near-death
experiences, too.<<<
Thanks for the reference. I'll see if i can pick it up. I've come to the
same conclusion myself. I also think it's about seeing and experiencing the
full range of the human condition. it's recognising that within us, that we
have repressed and built walls around and then projected onto others.
Pandora's box contains both light and dark qualities and without the
recognition of all of them as contents of our being, we are forever in
danger of corruption. These repressed contents have the capacity to
sabotage our good intentions like gorilla's in the undergrowth. For me, it
was also a very concrete lesson in seeing the bad in the good and the good
in the bad.
>>>I have no doubt that the inability to speak about what is happening to us
contributes to the paranoia some of us go through. <<<
Have you gone through paranoia?
What I was suggesting is that this paranoia is often healthy and based on a
very practical understanding of what is considered **normal** in western
society. I have had a working interest in psychology all my life. I knew
how my experiences would be seen by mainstream behavioral psychology and
medical psychiatry. It was an effective survival mechanism for me.
I guess I was also suggesting that while this makes a lot of sense as we go
about our day to day lives it's not necessary when we are with like-minded
others.
>>>I hope you feel relief expressing yourself here even if the feedback is
disappointing -- that's the idea, I think.<<<
It's not a feeling of relief that I was looking for. Rather my email was a
seeking after similarities - an expression of communication and union with a
group of people who shared similar experiences and ideals and who wanted to
explore the possibilities and potentials of these in a spirit of community.
>>>But I also have come to believe that the isolation of awakening itself,
the fact that no one can experience our experience with us, is part of the
cauldron that cooks the ego to a fine transparency<<<
My question here is ***Does it have to be this way?*** Perhaps the answer
is yes but I don't really know that. This belief seems to me to be based on
historical conditions such as maintaining an elite social position in the
case of mystery schools and fears based of persecution such as feeding
Christians to lions and witch hunts. These social conditions are no longer
valid. I remember reading a very good essay by Angelique outlining her
reasons for coming out into the open with her K experience. I found it very
compelling!
Perhaps there are periods of consolidation where experiences need to remain
internal in order for an understanding of them to develop and ripen but I'd
like to think that this is a temporary condition.
How do you think secrecy cooks the ego?
>>>We want people to KNOW about these amazing and sometimes awful events
that are happening to us, but even when we tell them, it is unsatisfying.
This
dissatisfaction, too, must be surrendered. I do report in to my husband
from time to time, for example. He is always interested, a little
disbelieving, and very loving. I am always relieved when I speak my truth
to him and always a little disappointed that he doesn't completely
understand because he's not living in my body. Accepting, even cherishing,
this kind of disappointment has been a tremendous release for me.<<<
I think the standard is changing and I really want to participate in this
change. I would like to see a world where everyone knows the possibilities
inherent in being human. I would like to think that no-one needs to
experience fear and horror at the awakening of kundalini, that there was a
general understanding in all related fields of knowledge of the power and
divinity inherent in these experiences. This list isn't a group of
uninformed people. We are here because we have had experiences that fall
out of the current **normal range** or because we have heard of the
possibilities and are prepared to put ourselves into the test tube.
I think that in a community like this evolution of consciousness is served.
By sharing these experiences we are developing common ground of
understanding that could be used by others.
>>>So I think that's our task as humans, k-awake or not, to communicate,
speak our truth, and then surrender the outcome. Seems to me this is how we
best serve Life.<<<
I agree to a large degree. I think that communication is an ongoing process
though and that stating our disappointment at a point is part of the it.
Often it leads to a further round of communication.
Thank you for communicating!
Warmest regards,
Julie.
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