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Recieved: 2003/07/22 14:49
Subject: Re: [K-list] Astral Projection
From: Julie D
On 2003/07/22 14:49, Julie D posted thus to the K-list:
From: "Kathleen Schramm PR Dept" <kathleen_schramm AT_NOSPAM yahoo.com>
>
Dear Spiritrose
> You were referring to protection here, but I didn't
> quite get your question. I'd love to respond...
>
> "For me it was the definitive event but I'm not really
> sure where it came from. Perhaps the experience in my
> teenage bedroom left an emotional charge that needed
> to be released and time helped with this.
> (? - Did I miss some key info here?)
I guess so. I wrote it in a hurry and thought it was clear in context with
my first post. Sorry.
Here I was agreeing with your concept of feeling protected. The feeling of
safety was of paramount importance between my first and second attempt at
consciously attempting to learn how to do it. The first attempt was in
1994. I abandoned this attempt because of cautions I had read regarding
developing psychic powers and blocking the spiritual development process.
This type of thinking suggests that people can loose their spiritual purpose
by focusing to strongly on the phenomena along the way. I gave up the
attempt after spending several months on it and during this time I couldn't
shake the fear I felt when I started to experience phenomena in my body.
The experience I had in my bedroom when I was 19 in 1978 was intended but
with no belief that such a thing was possible. When it happened it was very
traumantic for me because it threatened to destroy the concept I held of how
the world was. My mind, both conscious and unconscious, worked together to
rationalize it away so that my world paradigm wouldn't be shattered.
> I remember the surprise I felt when I started to feel
> my body vibrate and not reacting emotionally to it,
> when I started the exercises last year. What do you
> think?"
I believe that safety is a very fundamental drive of the human organism.
This operates on the level that science calls instinctual and is contained
in the subconscious. This programming is probably the most difficult for
the human consciousness to access and change. In 2002 the fear I had felt
in 1994 had gone. What I was suggesting here was that the charge and
extreme terror I had felt in 1978 had left a residual emotional charge,
attached to my safety instinct, that needed to be discharged and that I
couldn't consciously access. The 8 years of connection to a super conscious
aspect in the interim, had developed a degree of trust that had allowed the
emotional reaction to phenomena in my body to be discharged. In other words
dispelling the fear I felt was not something that I did on my level of
consciousness. I had merely opened myself to the possibility of it.
> I recall the first time I felt the Kundalini energy. I
> had no idea in the world what I was doing. I "made up"
> a Yoga position, and this energy started sweeping up
> and over me. So, I decided to stop doing this until I
> had a better understanding - cause it kind of startled
> me.
My experience of Kundalini differs from this. For me it grabbed hold of me
and didn't let go for 3 months. Despite my best efforts there was nothing I
could do to free myself from it's hold. This process started in Feb. 1993.
I still am not in charge of the process but I do have a working and loving
arrangement with it.
>
> One thing that gave me pause for thought was you
> mentioned anaylzing the symbology of what you saw
> would make you snap back in the body. I wonder why
> that would be? Perhaps you are drawing too much on
> your conscious mind, and as a result of engaging that
> energy brings you back to your body.
Again, I think this is something that is out of my conscious control to a
large extent. I can hold an intention to release this pattern and notice it
when it arises but the forces that transform it are not under my direct
control at this time in my life.
>
> If you practice asking your guides questions, instead
> of analyzing yourself, may be you will remain and see
> more.
>
> When I am "traveling" I am constantly asking my guides
> for information regarding what or who I am seeing.
> That is, unless I forget... because what I am looking
> at is way too impressive. Then I seem to be struck
> mute, and kick myself later for not thinking of
> asking. (smile)
For me, asking and analysing are the same thing. They both follow a
question/answer format and engage the rational, conscious function. I think
that a direct type of communication with the essence, a direct perception of
the event is possible in altered states of consciousness. This has a
greater value for me as it feels more intense and intimate. I also value
highly the states without images, sensations and body awareness.
I have come to the same conclusion as you that analysing engages the
rational mind.
>
> Have a great day!
>
You too!
Julie.
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