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Recieved: 2003/07/12 04:28
Subject: [K-list] ur answers daughtered parent questions
From: jesuz christ
On 2003/07/12 04:28, jesuz christ posted thus to the K-list:
i thank u fr clearing a lot of my confusion.
but the answers have only given rise to more questions.
about excersice, i've been working out at the gym everyday, so i guess im pretty fit. learnt martial arts for almost 14 years so am pretty flexible as well. but may be yoga requires a different kind of fitness.
the ever patient and empathetic ear..good Hillary, quoted Ramana Maharishi. it was an enlightening email. and Rick's answer too did make some sense to me.
i dont understand the contrasting concepts at all.
firstly as i have learnt, to achieve kaivalya, u need to be completely detached, from all bondage.then when i try emulating that principle i go into a vicious circle.. then i need to be detached even from kaivalya, y should i be attached to that to which i an going after with an attached attitude, my attachment to kaivalya?
does kaivalya come along with all the siddhis? i have been told .. not neccessarily. so wot use is self satisfaction alone? living just for ur own happiness. how is it going to help me or anyone except with the feeling part( ofcourse contracting the realms a bit ). coz if a person not with the infinite, having more power ( siddhi) than the realized one, can due to a whim, cause a lot of displeasure to the realized. in that case wot use is it having all happiness when u cant save the temple(body) that worked with u as hard to achieve ur desire(realization)? that would piss me off for sure.* so i concluded that kaivalya accompanies with itself all the siddhis. and the learned one didnt make himslef clear to me or i misunderstood.
if for a person living perfectly along with the accompanying happiness and suffering and death is itself the most pleasurable thing, and performing miracles and achieving his goals through siddhi( hopefully fr the good) gives a feeling of divine happiness, to be reborn again and again to do this again and again, helping man kind , then how would kaivalya be measured on the scale? (coz parakayapravesha, entering and leaving bodies is a siddhi)
in other words the extension of this argument would lead one to conclude that in life do wotever u feel like doing but be sure that ur actions give u a good feeling (finally!) outweighing the -ve . this just sounds like the father of all hedonists.
maybe thats wot this whole thing is all about(.thats y ppl so enthusiastically bcome monks and later achieving, bocome mundanely promiscuous)...........but maybe it is not. i am yet to find out.
it was interesting,.... when i first had that out of the world feeling, i looked around and learnt that during samadhi,( might not be wot i had) the pineal is made to work more than wot it would normally, secreting a lot of dopamine- acetylcholine and serotonin, increasedly. these hormones are responsible for feeling the high i felt.(from some research on samadhi,, cant quote,i forget, sorry) is it all that happens, all glands working together by ur will and u feeling awesome , hallucinating visions and tunes or is there something more to it? probably there is. or the effects of the powers, would just not be noticed by anyone except urself. that xplains the weird dream. still y do most of these yogis come to the west with a celibate attitude and a plethora of siddhis and then leave the world with a plethora of femine legs.?
i might just read this whole thing again and feel like a kid, many of u might feel it even bfore u read through . ,,,, u cannot expect profound thoughts from an unprofound mind. excuse me.
so im here confused and curious again, beseeching the wise and empathetic, to free me of ignorance.
thanking u,
untill soon,
A.
* may be if such a situation arises, the infinte takes human form . one who is realized by birth,and with all the possible siddhis, and destroys this asshole,, may be thats wot krishna meant by saying,, yada yada hi dharmasya glanir bhavati bharata
abhyutthanam adharmasya tadatmanam srjaamyaham: whenever there is an imbalance towards unrighteousness in the world i take birth to destroy it., that explains the birth and life of christ too. but y do i feel like im deluding my self with so much sophism. this feeling is there either sides of the belief.
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