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Recieved: 2003/07/07 12:33
Subject: [K-list] Re: Past life Karma
From: Julie D
On 2003/07/07 12:33, Julie D posted thus to the K-list:
Hi Charles,
I felt an incredible bout of nausea after reading your post. I have got no
idea what that means but it felt very powerful to me.
Not long ago I read Stanislav Grof's "The Cosmic Game." In one of the
chapter's he recounted a story similar to yours. A story of instant
attraction to a woman called Monica, with passion following closely behind.
Later he felt deeply commited to the relationship but felt that he was on a
roller coaster ride. He wrote, "I felt like I was alternately exposed to
hot and cold showers." This relationship developed just after he arrived in
the United States and the therapeutic use of LSD was still legal. He
volunteered to have a supervised psychedelic session with the intent of
getting to the bottom of this dynamic.
A long account follows which I will summarise. In the middle of the trip
he starts to consider the relationship. He writes:
"I tried to refuse responsibility for things of which I did not have any
memory, but was not able to resist the enormous psychological pressure
forcing me to surrender. Finally, I had to accept what clearly was an
ancient universal law against which there was no recourse. Once I yeilded,
I found myself holding in my arms Monica, just as I remembered holding her
in my arms the previous weekend. We were floating in air in an archetypal
pit of immense size, slowly descending in an extended spiral. I felt
instinctively that this was the abyss of Ages and that we were traveling
back in time."
He goes on to describe his arrival in the bottom of the pit where he relives
what he believed was a past life with Monica and her brother, Wolfgang, whom
he describes as having an almost incestuous relationship with Monica. As a
result he had been extremely antagonistic towards Grof. In this life Grof
and Wolfgang had been brother's and they had both loved Monica passionately.
He looked at Grof with intense hatred. Grof says "I saw clearly that this
was the basis of a destructive karmic pattern that then repeated itself in
many variations throughout ages." He went on to send him a telepathic
message which explained what he was doing and ended with "Here I am, this is
all I have! Please do anything you need to do to liberate us from this
bondage, to set us both free." Wolfgang then sent two beams of hatred, of
laser like light that burned his body and caused extreme pain. The beams
gradually faded and he found himself holding Monica in his arms again and
started to ascend the archetypal pit. The walls opened into scenes of past
lifes of this triangular situation where they had all hurt each other badly.
He writes "It seemed that a strong karmic hurricane was blowing through
centuries, dissipating the pain of these situations and releasing the three
of us from a fatal, painful bondage." He was in a state of indescribable
bliss on his return. He felt like this was a monumental acheivement.
He then felt sure that Monica would be affected but went out of his way to
not let her know what he had experienced in order to avoid suggestion. He
asked her what she had been doing at the time he was in the pit and she
described the period as one of the worst in her life, where she'd argued
with her employer and stormed out, gotten drunk and considered suicide.
Later Wolfgang sought Grof's professional council. He had been wanting to
talk to a psychologist and preferably someone that he knew. He had felt
that he couldn't talk to Grof until recently. Now, somehow the negative
feelings that he had felt towards him were gone. Monica's and Grof's
relationship was irrevocably changed and they parted months later on
friendly terms.
I have looked at reincarnation and karma many times. I have even had some
personal experiences around the subjects. I can come up with theories and
philosophies of how they fit into the big picture: I can do the same for how
they don't. My current map of reality can include them both as being
different levels of truth. Truth seen through different eyes, to use
Mystress Angelique's term. I don't know if dramas like Grof's are necessary
but I do know that situations which carry a powerful emotional charge are
trying to say something and are worth working through. I think you might
have a really difficult time walking away from this one.
Best wishes,
Julie.
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