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Recieved: 2003/06/30 18:32
Subject: Re: [K-list] Enlightenment today? Gone tomorrow
From: Lesley Richardson
On 2003/06/30 18:32, Lesley Richardson posted thus to the K-list:
Hi Rick:
There are quite a few people who are Enlightened on
this list and on Harsha's list but most of them are
not likely to write about it, mostly because there's
no need to or they just don't want to be bothered.
Angelique describes Enlightenment as a Journey, rather
than a place.
A very knowledgable wizard I know, who has also given
me very good advice, says that it really is a process
of "lightening" as a person sheds fears, blocks,
mental imprisoning ideas, and burdens that we have
chosen to carry. So in that sense, both he and
Angelique are on the same page.
But based on your questions none of that is likely to
be helpful to you. The following might be:
Based on Valerie Hunt's research, written about in
Infinite Mind, where she measured the vibrations from
a Master using the same kind of telemmetry equipment
that NASA uses to monitor astronauts, only much more
sensitive, it appears that a person who is considered
enlightened has vibrations that ranged in a wide band
around 300,000 Hz. My memory may not be completely
accurate on this. I gave the book away, otherwise I
would have looked it up for you. Healers had
vibrations over a wide band in the 100,000 Hz range. I
would say that someone who's vibrations are around
300,000 Hz could be considered Enlightened but who
knows if that is really a high enough vibration. I've
heard that the vibrations can go much higher, to the
speed of light. Now is that person really Enlightened?
If that person has become light itself, I would say
yes. And that might give rise to the effects you
discuss in your email. So where you are in the process
may be measureable if you can find a researcher doing
this type of research :)
> Of those who are Enlightened, from the start of the
> Kundalini to the
> Enlightenment, how long did it take?
Nobody can really say how long the process takes. It
appears that for Tolle Eckhart, The Power of Now, that
it happened rapidly. For others, a lifetime is not
enough. There's another really good book, written by
the co-founder of Esalen, called the Future of the
Body which gives all kinds of very interesting
research, case study, and anecdotal information about
the kinds of changes that occur in the process and I
certainly found it very helpful and it might help you
see where you are at as well.
>From that book and others I have read, such as the
Teachings of the Masters of the Far East, I have
markers I now look for in a person. Can you create
something that is alive from something that isn't?
That's a very good marker for fifth dimension
existence but it is not, by itself, a marker for
Enlightenment. It's a progress sign though. Can you
love something to bits? That's a sign you can focus
the energy of love in a sufficiently focused manner to
bring about a correction in circumstances where one is
needed. For example, enough people meditating in an
area bring about changes in that area such as a
reduction in crime. A Master meditating beside a
reservoir for one hour brought about such changes in
the water that it's before and after changes when
frozen were clearly identifiable.
Can you intuit scientific advances and know about them
before they exist? Another marker. Can you completely
control your thoughts? Can you create something truly,
completely, absolutely original that cannot be
replicated by anyone else, a tool, a process, a
medicinal compound? That was required by workers
serving apprenticeships in France where they studied a
craft by day--stonemasons, stained glass window
making, carpentry. In the evenings, they went to
mystery school. You had to create your own tools to
graduate, producing something completely original. The
red and blue colors in the stained glass windows in
Notre Dame cannot be duplicated. The shamans discussed
in the Cosmic Serpent produce astonishing compounds
such as curare from their visions without having labs
to test them in (curare is one such example. Cosmic
Serpent is another book describing such feats). But
are the shamans enlightened as well?
Really, the simplest test is the person's energy.
Sometimes I meet somebody who I know is Enlightened
simply because the glory of the light shining out of
the person is ineffable, beyond description. Then I
know I have met the Immortal in mortal form and it is
truly humbling. But when you will get there is
unknowable until you are.
What I do know is that if you try to hurry the
process, you bring down upon yourself the worst kind
of Chinese curse--"may you become enlightened in a
week." I tried that route and it just about killed me.
I've spent a long time picking up the pieces of trying
to accelerate the process, even though I felt I had a
really good reason for doing it. My beloved mother had
cancer and I was trying to become a healer so I could
kill the cancer cells. I learned to kill cancer cells
allright, but my mother died anyway. And I almost
followed her.
> I'm also wondering once the Kundalini process starts
> whether a path is
> necessary any longer. Once you've found the path,
> the path has found you.
> You don't walk the path, rather the path walks you.
Shakti is truly intelligent. I consider it to be
Cosmic intelligence. You can resist it, but you
usually cannot really stop it. I was in so much
trouble at one point that my wizard friend recommended
a psychologist in Arizona who specializes in helping
people in trouble on the Path by slowing down the
process or sending it into some kind of recession, but
I found plotinus.com instead, then through that, this
site and got all the help I needed from Angelique.
> Also does the Kundalini process accelerate as it
> rises. This is from
> experience, i'm experiencing rapid increases in
> flow. The higher it rises,
> the more there is.
What I've seen from this list that there are
commonalities in the process for most but it's truly
as unique for each person as your DNA. It's also not
predictable.
Not sure if this helps. Perhaps a question is in
order? What does your ego you plan to do once
Enlightened?
Love, Lesley
> I feel impatient for the natural process to come to
> an end, does anyone else
> want this? I'm not interested in the fireworks, I
> want to see the grand
> finale and the curtain close.
The dumb thing is that there's this little phrase that
is absolute truth that has been quoted on this list
before. Chop wood, carry water, become enlightened,
chop wood, carry water.
People on this list have astonishing capacities but
for most, by the time they get those capacities, the
interest in them has gone and they get used only when
directed. Really, we live in a play and are actors in
it. That's so trite, and so true. The difference is
that you can watch the play from your eyes, watch
yourself in the play, watch the others in the play,
watch the great Archetypes many thoughts playing and
focusing together create, such as the Hero archetype,
or the Wrathful God archetype, watch the world play,
sit in the black and the twinkling lights rushing by,
catch them and throw them, and let the intelligence of
the lights change the play.
When a superbly gifted writer such as George Lucas
taps into those archetypes and creates Star Wars, so
many humans resonate with the archetype that the
movies are a smash hit.
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