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Recieved: 2003/06/16 18:02
Subject: Re: [K-list] amritanadi nadi (also some points on difficult awa
From: Druout

Kurt writes:

>I think this gets at two perennial questions:
>1) Is prana kundalini?
>2) Is the ultimate enlightenment at the heart or the sahasrara?
>As for 1)
>I think prana is a precursor to kundalini, not kundalini. I also feel though
>that prana prepares for kundalini, and then kundalini prepares for the
>subtle activity of prana.

Dear Kurt,

Great to have you back! :)) For those who don't know Kurt, he is the author
of the wonderful Kundalini FAQ (see:
http://www.kundalini-gateway.org/kurt/k-faq.html )

The question of Prana vs Kundalini is one that fascinates many of us. I'm
personally more of the opinion that it depends on how the energy manifests in the
individual body.

Usually, I think, prana is perceived as a fairly gentle energy--one that can
be used for healing, etc. whereas Kundalini overtakes ones consciousness and
entire Be-ing with its freight-like power up the spine.

I see them more inter connected, though. Like Julie, unusual breath patterns
seem integral to many of my experiences. Oddly enough, the more powerful
energy for me, which generally would be considered prana, does not involve the
spine. It is one which encompasses the entire body with the feeling of bliss
and metaphysical union. When the energy goes up my spine to explode in the
brain, it is a much more a physical sensation.

What I get from Ramana Maharshi's writings is an abiding feeling of cosmic
bliss. He frequently says that this is our natural state. "Bliss is not
something to be got. On the other hand you are always bliss."
It's interesting that his awakening was triggered by what sounds like a panic
attack--a sudden feeling that he was dying and the subsequent realization
that the body was not the Self. It doesn't seem to be typically Kundalini
(spine) related, but then not all awakenings seem to be! :))

Kurt writes:
>Particularly absent from (at least my
>recollection of) his writings are the expressions of the vibrant pulsating
>unity of the universe and one's personal awareness (union of dhatu and
>j~nana) - the ultimate sense that one's awareness pervades the universe.

I suspect that this sense of union can take many forms depending on how the
energy manifests in the individual. For some it is a submerging of the
consciousness, and for others an expansion. My feeling is that it is the same state
but translated differently once one starts to "come down" from the experience
and attempts to interpret it.

>2) Is the ultimate enlightenment at the heart or the sahasrara?

I suspect what we think of as ultimate enlightenment is at the sahasrara,
because it is there when it tends to totally submerge the ego. But the heart is
where it is perhaps more unifying with day to day reality--chop wood, carry
water.

Love, Hillary


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