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Recieved: 2003/06/10 04:18
Subject: Re: [K-list] Kundalini is the obstacle
From: mundane zen
On 2003/06/10 04:18, mundane zen posted thus to the K-list:
Dear Rick et al.,
I kind of agree with your points on one level, and was debating whether or
not to comment or just let it go. Well, reading thru your post a second
time still left some nagging questions. So, permit me a couple of comments,
and maybe you can clarify what you meant or tell me how I'd mis-reading it.
>"The body consciousness is the wrong 'I'.
Certainly most people are stuck in a place where they identify with their
body or their ego. However, how is body consciousness "the wrong I"? I've
experienced a greater "I", the universal blissful Self, but little "I" is
still in there too. Calling it "wrong" seems so harsh.
>Give up this body-consciousness.
What?! What's the point of being incarnated in a body if the goal is to
become unconscious of it?
>It is done by seeking the source of the 'I'. The body does not say 'I am'.
>It is you who say, 'I am the body'. Find out who this 'I' is. Seeking its
>source it will vanish."
I'm guessing that Ramana is talking to people who haven't had a glimpse of
the higher Self, and he's using these strong terms to shock them out of
their complete attachment to body/ego consciousness.
>In many ways, associating ourselves with the Kundalini process is like
>associating ourselves with the body-consciousness.
Now, this I don't understand at all. Kundalini was the rocket ride to
awareness of the higher Self for me.
>Of course by meditating we're disassociating with body consciousness by
>quietening the mind which is nothing but a collection of thoughts, and
>awakening the witness.
Ok, the quieting of thoughts I can relate to, but "dissacociating with body
consciousness"? I dunno. Maybe it's just an idiosyncratic way of putting
it. If you quiet your thoughts, you stop cutting the world into separate
things and it becomes one whole. That's where the Self is revealed.
>I'm formulating a view that seekers are all going about it in the wrong
>direction, Kundalini is not the goal or something to be obtained or
>achieved, nor are opening the Chakras, merely the Self is to be known, to
>be sought and then every lock opens.
If you think of Kundalini, chakras, blocks, etc. while you're meditating,
you're still thinking and creating separate things. You're getting stuck on
the symbols of the technique, just like so many people get stuck on their
religious symbols. "Not this, not that". "AUM". "Who am I?" Pick a
focusing technique and "let it be".
ken
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