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Recieved: 2003/06/09 20:30
Subject: RE: [K-list] Sexual Exploitations of Guru's
From: Chris Oliphant

On 2003/06/09 20:30, Chris Oliphant posted thus to the K-list:

I will never be a good follower of a guru. I will always doubt their being emancipated while yet alive. I remember my reaction to chanting the guru chant while at an ashram. It made me want to gag. I can see that it behooves the gurus to tell their disciples to follow blindly but that can end up in Jonestown and Im not interested in going there. Im no fan of absolute rules of morality, but when a guru does not walk his/her talk then I feel there is cause for concern.
In this line has anyone read Siddhartha by Herman Hess? In it the main character refuses to follow the Buddha because all the Buddha can teach him is how the Buddha became enlightened. The Buddha cannot teach him how he should become enlightened.
Chris Oliphant
> I was shocked when someone showed me a
>link to the sexual stuff that went on in his last
>days. I was sorely disappointed ..but at the same time
>this person seems very special to me....
>What do you guys think about this...the ones who have
>him as your guru. I am very interested in this ...

" If he appears indulging in sexual pleasures, he must be taken to enjoy the ever-inherent Bliss of the Self, which divided Itself into the individual self and the Universal Self, delights in their reunion to retain Its original Nature.... All his actions should be taken to be only divine manifestations on the plane of humanity. There should not arise even the least doubt as to his being emancipated while yet alive. He lives only for the good of the world.
Sri Bhagavan now warned the hearers against the mistake of disparaging a jnani for his apparent conduct... P. 422-423 Talks

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