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Recieved: 2003/06/09 18:01
Subject: Re: [K-list] Kundalini is the obstacle
From: Druout
On 2003/06/09 18:01, Druout posted thus to the K-list:
Rick writes:
>.More specifically Ramana's whole teaching uses a system of
>self-enquiry to untie the knot that is the ego.
Dear Rick,
Well, Ramana Maharshi also accepted "surrender" as well as "self-enquiry" as a viable path:
"... Self-surrender leads to realisation just as enquiry does. Complete self-surrender means that you have no further thought of 'I'. Then all your predispositions (samskaras) are washed off and you are free. You should not continue as a separate entity at the end of either course." p. 40 Talks
And: " If one surrenders oneself there will be no one to ask questions or to be thought of. Either the thoughts are eliminated by holding onto othe root-thought 'I' or one surrenders oneself unconditionally to othe Higher Power. These are the only two ways for Realization." p. 285 Talks
I suspect of the two paths (surrender and self-enquiry) that surrender may be more difficult for men.
Rick:
>"I'm formulating a view that seekers are all going about it in the wrong
>direction, Kundalini is not the goal or something to be obtained or
>achieved, nor are opening the Chakras, merely the Self is to be known, to be
>sought and then every lock opens."
Well, I agree that Kundalini shouldn't be forced. Nor do I believe it is the only means to Realization.
But Sri Ramana Maharshi also made this verbal exchange:
***
Question: They say that Kundalini must be roused before Realisation and that
its awakening makes the body feel hot. Is that so?
Maharshi: The yogis call it Kundalini Sakti. It is the same as vritti of
the form of God (Bhagavatakara vritti) of the bhaktas and vritti of the form
of Brahman (Brahmakara vritti) of the jnanis. It must be preliminary to
Realisation. The sensation produced may be said to be hot. p. 358 Talks
***
In my experience Kundalini forces surrender. You can go with it or fight against it at your peril, but it will lead you where you need to go. It does all the work once awakened.
I agree with Julie, "Kundalini is not just body consciousness. It is the
wisdom of the ages and it knows the way home."
As to body consciousness :)) I coincidentally just came across the following in Tantra The Path of Ecstasy by Georg Feuerstein.
"Tantra's body-positive approach is the direct outcome of its integrative metaphysics according to which this world is not mere illusion but a manifestation of the supreme Reality...The body is a piece of the world and, as we shall see, the world is a piece of the body. Or, rather, when we truly understand the body, we discover that it is the world, which in essence is divine." p. 53
Love, Hillary
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