To: K-list
Recieved: 2003/06/02 11:19
Subject: RE: [K-list] Ignorance of Kundalini (or an equivalent concept)
From: Bhavin Desai
On 2003/06/02 11:19, Bhavin Desai posted thus to the K-list:
See below...
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Druout AT_NOSPAM aol.com [mailto:Druout AT_NOSPAM aol.com]
>
> >even though I
> >feel that I at certain times you yourself may not really believe what
> >you are reading in their books (perhaps just agreeing because of
their
> >high status).
>
> Now if I read this correctly, I consider this an insult. ;) Why
should I
> quote statements I don't believe? If you are saying that I'm doing so
> just to
> further my point of view, then you don't know me very well.
[Bhavin Desai] No, an insult was not meant or intended. So, please, I
present my apologies for that confusion or misunderstanding. I will try
to clarify. I can teach exactly what my teachers and grandteacher
taught, but the impact of their words is greater than mine. In
particular, people in the past have rejected/ignored what I have said
(for their own reasons), but then later accepted it when hearing exactly
the same from my teachers or grandteacher. My point was that the status
of a teacher (especially a Master) does affect how anyone else reacts to
the words and teaching. You yourself said that you initially did not
resonate with a quoted Master, but later saw that it was correct. If an
ordinary person had said the same as that Master then would you have had
the same reactions? I know from my own experience that the status of a
speaker/author makes a big difference to most people.
> >We have to be careful in reading what high level teachers
> >say, in the same way that a Top Ten Tennis star can give consultancy
to
> >my 10 year old son but my son would not have the full
> >understanding/context about the subject matter. In this case, a
> >state/county teacher would be better. High aspirations are harder to
> >achieve and require a high level of effort.
>
> In other words, I am not qualified to understand these teachers? ;)
> Careful!
[Bhavin Desai] I am not saying whether you are qualified or not.
Whether one is qualified (and how one approaches the understanding
aspect) is in itself another deep conversation. Take the simple case
when I am teaching a Yoga course. I can discuss many things that are
completely natural to me, but are too far and fast for my students. In
many cases the students would be happier to learn from one of my long
term students, who would be closer to them in some respects. As another
example, my grandmaster said many things to me that had to be "cooked"
for months or even years before I understood what they meant. Even
recently, I suddenly understood something that he said to me in 1987!!!
At the time he said it, it sounded like a throw-away comment without any
deep significance or meaning.
> >[Bhavin Desai] My teachers always emphasised the importance of
> >practicality. It is easy to read and write "airy fairy" stuff that
> >sounds good, but will not do anyone any practical good. All may be
> >realised (as quoted above), but not all are aware of it (see below).
>
> I don't consider these statements by either Sri Ramana Maharshi or
> Muktananda
> as airy fairy stuff. For me they are literally true.
[Bhavin Desai] Those two Masters are genuine. I read Sri Ramana
Maharshi books when I was a teenager (>20 years ago). My point was that
it is relatively easy to write similarly in order to either mislead
people or at least make a commercial venture without any real substance.
I have read lots of books/websites where the content is neither
practically useful nor genuine/authentic.
> > [Bhavin Desai] Yes. That's fine. How do you authenticate and
> validate
> > an internal Guru? There are certain risks and dangers.
> >
> > Touche! :))
>
> I will add, that I have personally never found the inner guru to be
> misleading. It can challenge us in various ways, however! :))
[Bhavin Desai] What I was hinting at is that an ordinary person can read
about the Inner Guru and then try to find their own one. Before getting
to the real Inner Guru they may come across various other distracting
manifestations that are not the Inner Guru. This may make them take
some actions that may not be good for them, their family, relatives,
friends, etc. How can they tell the difference? For example, there are
many religious/spiritual people who are motivated to do certain things
that they "hear" or "know" internally, but which are not the Inner Guru.
> [Bhavin Desai] In the above sense, everyone has the knowledge.
However,
> I/we need help to get rid of the delusion that I/we am/are not
realised
> (see last sentence of Maharshi Ji below). The distinction is
important.
>
> Ah yes. But the distinction is simply in your head. If you understand
> that
> you are already realised, why should you need a guru to tell you you
are
> already realised?
[Bhavin Desai] But the fact of the matter, the practicality of the
situation, is that there is a distinction between Masters/GodMen/etc and
us ordinary people. Even if that distinction is in our head, we do need
a teacher or guru to show us the way to clear that distinction. We do
need to make the right efforts for this purpose. We don't mind if the
guru is internal or external.
[Bhavin Desai] In my particular case, I would say that the distinction
still exists for me, and I am waiting for the right time/place
when/where my teachers can help me to clear the distinction.
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