To: K-list
Recieved: 2003/06/01 21:32
Subject: Re: [K-list] Ignorance of Kundalini (or an equivalent concept)
From: Druout

Bhava-ji writes:

>[Bhavin Desai] In a previous email you were not too keen about teachers,
>and yet you quote several teachers (in various emails)

Dear Bhavin,

I have never claimed to be consistent! :))

>even though I
>feel that I at certain times you yourself may not really believe what
>you are reading in their books (perhaps just agreeing because of their
>high status).

Now if I read this correctly, I consider this an insult. ;) Why should I
quote statements I don't believe? If you are saying that I'm doing so just to
further my point of view, then you don't know me very well.

>We have to be careful in reading what high level teachers
>say, in the same way that a Top Ten Tennis star can give consultancy to
>my 10 year old son but my son would not have the full
>understanding/context about the subject matter. In this case, a
>state/county teacher would be better. High aspirations are harder to
>achieve and require a high level of effort.

In other words, I am not qualified to understand these teachers? ;)
Careful!

>[Bhavin Desai] My teachers always emphasised the importance of
>practicality. It is easy to read and write "airy fairy" stuff that
>sounds good, but will not do anyone any practical good. All may be
>realised (as quoted above), but not all are aware of it (see below).

I don't consider these statements by either Sri Ramana Maharshi or Muktananda
as airy fairy stuff. For me they are literally true.

> [Bhavin Desai] Yes. That's fine. How do you authenticate and
validate
> an internal Guru? There are certain risks and dangers.
>
> Touche! :))

I will add, that I have personally never found the inner guru to be
misleading. It can challenge us in various ways, however! :))


[Bhavin Desai] In the above sense, everyone has the knowledge. However,
I/we need help to get rid of the delusion that I/we am/are not realised
(see last sentence of Maharshi Ji below). The distinction is important.

Ah yes. But the distinction is simply in your head. If you understand that
you are already realised, why should you need a guru to tell you you are
already realised?

Love, Hillary

> "No one wants realisation because there is no one who is not realised.
> Can any one say that he is not already realised or that he is a part from
>the Self?
> No. Evidently all are realised. Talks P. 442
>
> Question: Is there any use of the man of Realisation for the seeker?
> Maharshi: Yes. He helps you to get rid of your delusion that you are
not
> realised.

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