To: K-list
Recieved: 2003/05/28 22:29
Subject: RE: [K-list] Ignorance of Kundalini (or an equivalent concept)
From: Bhavin Desai
On 2003/05/28 22:29, Bhavin Desai posted thus to the K-list:
See my comments below, prefixed with [Bhavin Desai].
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Druout AT_NOSPAM aol.com [mailto:Druout AT_NOSPAM aol.com]
>
> Bhava-ji wrote:
>
> > Similarly, I am not a master, but I can tell the
> >difference (and hence appreciate) between excellent masters and other
> >teachers.
>
> Dear Bhavin,
>
> I'm sorry you feel attacked. These are interesting questions, and
perhaps
> because of Eastern traditions of relying on spiritual masters, versus
the
> more
> eclectic and independent attitudes about learning of the West we see
> things
> from very different perspectives.
[Bhavin Desai] I can see both sides of the East/West points of view,
from over 30 years experience. I have the Indian (family) background as
well as the English (residential) background. My Yoga Teachers were
English. My Yoga Grand Teacher is Indian. If anyone feels that they
can do without a teacher or master then that's fine.
> I wouldn't take anything on the internet as gospel, but as Muktananda
> said,
> "Though we talk about awakening the Kundalini, the truth is that
> everyone's
> Kundalini is already awake." p. 15 So in a certain real sense no one
can
> really
> be ignorant of Kundalini, and one can gain wonderful insights from the
> strangest places. :))
[Bhavin Desai] From a practical point of view, your quote seems very
strange (was there a problem in translation perhaps?). If all Kundalini
Shakti is awake then what is the process of "awakening" about? What is
the purpose of this K-List? Why are there so many books, videos,
websites, etc, about it? And how much better would be a proper place
rather than a "strange place" to get our wonderful sublime
transcendental insights?
> I wonder how much our own preconceptions influence our judgment in
> spiritual
> matters. Perhaps an excellent master or teacher to you, given your
> criteria,
> would not be for me. Or perhaps you are more discerning! :))
Actually
> desiring a master or teacher is rather alien to me. Just like a
lover,
> after a
> certain length of time the warts will usually make an appearance.
[Bhavin Desai] If anyone feels that they can do without a teacher or
master then that's fine. Just do it!!! The choice of a good
teacher/master is very important. There are many different
teachers/masters, with different styles/techniques/methods/systems, so
it should be possible for each individual to find one that is compatible
with their character/personality.
> As Ramana Maharshi wrote "The Guru may be internal or external. He
may
> reveal Himself internally or communicate externally." The internal
guru
> is the one
> I rely on. During the first two months of my awakening I stayed away
from
> books on the subject, because I didn't want to color or influence my
> experience.
> I felt the energy itself would lead me where I needed to go.
[Bhavin Desai] Yes. That's fine. How do you authenticate and validate
an internal Guru? There are certain risks and dangers.
> I wonder what information you are actually seeking since from your
> wonderful
> descriptions you are obviously K awake.
[Bhavin Desai] Let me first restate my original point. Regarding
Kundalini and related concepts there is a large amount of poor quality
information in books, magazines, videos, websites, etc. The phrase "the
blind leading the blind" comes to mind. My Kundalini Shakti is indeed
active, as confirmed by my Grand Master Swami Dev Murti Ji who is in
"Living Nirvana (not after the death Nirvana)" - his interesting
description. Next, onto your question about what I am actually seeking.
I am seeking that supreme ultimate stainless knowledge which after
knowing there is nothing further to be known. It is extremely difficult
to find such knowledge, or a teacher to teach it. However, it can be
acquired by other means too.
> Love, Hillary
>
> "...You know how far away you are from Madras. Can you tell me how
far
> away
> you are from the Self in order that you should seek it?"
>
> Sri Ramana Maharshi. Talks p. 395
[Bhavin Desai] THE SELF IS CLOSER THAN ONE'S BREATH.
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