To: K-list
Recieved: 2003/05/02 16:01
Subject: [K-list] RE: Cycling of the Kundalini - Karma
From: Bhavin Desai
On 2003/05/02 16:01, Bhavin Desai posted thus to the K-list:
My comments below...
> > Perhaps someone will trademark
> >"Kundalini" or "Yoga"? Many people use "Kundalini Yoga" in the
> >non-trademark sense. Maybe someone will trademark "Tennis" or
> >"Football"?
>
> Bill Gates trademarked "Windows."
[Bhavin Desai] There is a difference here in that when "windows" are
mentioned, as the glass objects in houses, there is a technical
difference in relation to "Windows" as software. That is why I decided
not to use that as an example. Another example of that principle: in
the UK the term "microsoft" was used for ladies tights but there were no
legal/technical grounds for Microsoft to sue the producer. However, the
Yogi Bhajan "Kundalini Yoga" is conceptually close to other types of
Kundalini Yoga. That is why I am professionally angry at the trademark.
In particular, all other Kundalini Yoga teachers and students have to
specifically and consistently state that their system is NOT the YB-KY.
> > > How do you measure "Genuine and authentic"?
> >[Bhavin Desai] By "genuine" I mean something that is true to its
source,
> >not something that has been made up for financial or egotistical
> >purposes. By "authentic" I mean that there is a history of
> >good/favourable results.
>
> Cool.
> How do you define "source"?
> How do you define "Good/favorable" from a nondual perspective? You
> describe your own process with the Guru as painful and harsh...
> (paraphrasing)
[Bhavin Desai] "source" refers to what is being represented (eg some
systems do not represent The True Source, only the ego of the
owner/founder). A result can be good even though the path to that
result could be difficult (eg look at any sports person). Using a
mathematical analogy, at some point one must arrive at words which are
like "axioms" which cannot be further defined. Otherwise I would spend
a limitless amount of time further refining and defining each additional
usage of words or phrases...
> >[Bhavin Desai] I wondered what my teachers would have said about this
> >opportunity. They were never keen about "shortcuts" and they
> >recommended in general to avoid the
> >workgroups/seminars/conferences/retreats that offered special powers,
> >privileges, or other such promises. I recall that Swami Dev Murti Ji
> >often has a little poem like "when you are quick, you get the kick".
>
> Ironic, for someone who got a lifetime's karma cleared, in a
year...
> :)
> Considering that you have already been on the path for 30 years,
and
> I
> have been known to do a dozen third eye openings in the first 10
minutes
> of
> a two hour workshop, I would not say this is a shortcut. As you said,
you
> are close and only need a nudge...
>
[Bhavin Desai] I understand your point and I respect you as a High
Priestess/Mystress, but there is a difference. There are special
Kundalini/related techniques which are intrinsically dangerous and have
high associated risks. A Master has to ensure that a student is ready
in many respects, not just in the willingness aspect. It is not just a
case of opening channels or granting powers. Several classical
anecdotes tell of a Master just giving a student special powers (without
the necessary preparation) and the student then proceeds to misuse/abuse
the powers. Subsequently, the Master has to take away the powers from
the student. This is one of the reasons for the Yamas and Niyamas. The
character and personality as a whole must be developed uniformly. You
cannot just give matches or knives (even though they are not bad in
themselves) to a child.
[Bhavin Desai] The process of clearing karma by action with the presence
and direction of a master is a different type of activity compared to a
master just "deleting" it.
> I'm not pushing you tho. Do as you please, of course! Free Will
is
> Goddess law. Richard Bach says "Argue for your limitations, and you
get to
> keep them."
>
> Anyhow... I pretty much anticipated this reaction from you. You
are
> now giving me your resistance, that is an aspect of how the karma flow
> works. :) My response to your other post, regarding your
understanding of
> how your Master "burned" karma has been waiting in my outbox. As I
hinted
> in my first post of this thread, your attachment to your intellectual
> understanding *is* the blockage you seek to clear.
[Bhavin Desai] This may be a standard reaction based on your experience
with other people, and it may be true in my case, but there are some
other complications (eg time/money costs, obligations to you, risks to
myself, family issues, etc). If I was alone and had no family/other
responsibilities then I would not hesitate. For example, if this kind
of opportunity had arisen while I was at university (doing 2+ hours of
Yoga/Kriyas/Meditation a day) then I would have jumped at the chance.
[Bhavin Desai] My teachers and grandteacher have all pointed out my
intellectual aspect as a blockage.
[Bhavin Desai] Also, I did not mean to upset you in any way.
> >[Bhavin Desai] There are several sites that explain how to activate
> >Kundalini, etc, with certain techniques or exercises. There are
several
> >sites which explain in detail (with personal stories) the
complications
> >or problems of accelerated Kundalini development. One can rise
quickly
> >but can also fall quickly/deeply. It could be 10 steps forward and
(a
> >risk of) 15 steps backward.
>
> I would not say that 30 years of yoga preparation is
"accelerated."
> Trust yourself! : )
[Bhavin Desai] I do trust myself, but I also have responsibilities and
obligations.
> >[Bhavin Desai] I think for the moment, I will read the information on
> >your various sites first (subject to available time, etc) and then
> >proceed further as appropriate.
>
> Enjoy it. : ) Tell me what you think.
>
> > Also, I would prefer a physical
> >presence at least in the first few instances/interactions.
>
> Argue for your limitations... ;)
> I'm in Vancouver, Canada. I do 99% of my work by remote. Space
and
> time matters not. Where are you?
[Bhavin Desai] I live in Woking which is about 20 miles outside London,
UK.
> >[Bhavin Desai] The Kundalini Yoga of Swami Dev Murti Ji is genuine
and
> >authentic (in my 25+ years experience with this and other systems).
It
> >is also completely safe.
>
> Good. Your path with him was fast and painful tho, eh? So you
said,
> previously... safety is a relative concept.
[Bhavin Desai] As previously mentioned, safety is about the high
probability of getting good results, even though the path may be
difficult. A rocky slope down a mountain is difficult in terms of the
path but you will safely get to the base eventually, whereas a vertical
cliff will be much quicker and easier in terms of the path but you will
get dashed to bits at the base. The "Tortoise and the Hare" fable also
comes to mind. I suppose that I am a Tortoise.
[Bhavin Desai] In the Aghora books, the Master Vimalananda comments to
Robert Svoboda whether the ancient (and current) Masters were "stupid"
to spend years and even lifetimes in Kundalini development. Is it
really possible to have "Instant Kundalini" from a few hours/days
course? If so then why don't more people do it? It may certainly give
results in the short term, but can the receivers handle it all in the
medium and long term? Vimalananda, himself a very high Aghora master,
did not recommend anyone to practice any kind of advanced methods
without the control & direction of a Guru/Master and without suitable
preparation of the individual, which could take years.
> > The "Crown Jewels" of his system
> >is a set of "Crocodile Courses" on the back, on the stomach, sitting,
> >etc. Each course consists of spinal chord exercises that result in
self
> >manipulation/mobilisation/chiropractice. These work on the nadis,
> >chakras, Kundalini, higher bodies, etc. Neti, Nauli, and other
Kriyas
> >are also included as are Pranayama, etc.
>
> It sounds very interesting. Care to share more about it?
>
[Bhavin Desai] I am trying to set up a mini-website. At present there
are only a few photos (Swami Ji, Jack & John, and me showing Neti and
Nauli), and a few short documents. There is nothing much really at this
stage. I have an intended format and an idea about the contents, but it
will take a few more weeks/months depending on the space & time
available. I also want to put photos/videos of the Mudras/Kriyas,
although at present I have no method of getting the videos onto my PC.
[Bhavin Desai] When I feel the website is ready for an initial
assessment, then I will certainly post the address to the K-List for
review and feedback.
[Bhavin Desai] I recall that Swami Ji recommended something to another
Master, who had many thousands of followers, and who could talk with any
spirit/deity such as Krishna, Rama, Christ, Buddha, etc. That Master
did not take the recommendation. However, a few days later the
recommendation had been accepted and was being followed. The reason was
that the spirits had advised him about Swami Ji, and to follow all of
his recommendations.
[Bhavin Desai] You are welcome to find more information about Swami Dev
Murti Ji, located in Old Delhi, by any method you choose. I would be
interested to know the results.
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