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Recieved: 2003/05/02 14:17
Subject: Re: [K-list] RE: Cycling of the Kundalini - Karma
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent
On 2003/05/02 14:17, Mystress Angelique Serpent posted thus to the K-list:
At 04:50 AM 01/05/03, Bhavin Desai wrote:
>[Bhavin Desai] I find it extremely unacceptable that an ordinary phrase
>such as "Kundalini Yoga" is trademarked.
Heh. Yup. That the Yogi would do that, says a lot about him.
> Perhaps someone will trademark
>"Kundalini" or "Yoga"? Many people use "Kundalini Yoga" in the
>non-trademark sense. Maybe someone will trademark "Tennis" or
>"Football"?
Bill Gates trademarked "Windows."
> Yogi Bhajan is mentioned at www.rickross.com, and some of
>YB's other activities I have heard about (from people in or close to his
>various groups, ie not external people) are not what one would expect of
>a Yoga master. I am dramatically understating the case, research it
>yourself if you wish.
I have researched it. I think the basic exercises are good. The
majority of the members seem to enjoy it. There is not a big exit support
group for deprogramming people, like for SYDA. There is a high level of
commercialism, but I don't have issues with that. Even a Yogi has to eat.
;) Tony Robbins is very commercial too, but his teachings are effective, as
are those of some others.
I do a lot of volunteer work, including this list and website! But I
personally find charging money is a good way to filter for sincerity. Only
so many hours in a day! People .. westerners, especially, tend to be more
likely to follow through if they have made some investment. People who are
too deep in scarcity to make an investment in themselves, are probably not
ready to move beyond the survival chakras.
There are some odd scandals surrounding the Yogi... some of them quite
deeply buried. A have a friend who was intuitively moved to do
investigation around the Oklahoma bombing. Her research uncovered quite a
nasty conspiracy. Connected the Yogi as owner of the security company that
was supposed to be guarding the Oklahoma building. I did not ask her for
details.
On a not much related note... but for the members FYI. Those who are
still curious about the troll would be interested to read the alt.yogananda
newsgroup archives. He seems to have been a very busy boy there. Posting
under multiple aliases to agree, or argue with himself, then outing some of
the aliases with fake names and addresses, then alternately apologising for
the demons of his multiple personality disorder and chastising the members
for feeding them with their attention, and saying how his medication needs
to be increased... There is a link to a page about him on the.. Ananda?
(spelling?) website. They are a SRF splinter that is also mentioned on Rick
Ross's page. Seems he was stalking their events.
I already knew that boy had way bigger problems himself, than he
created for us, but it was kind of cathartic to read.
> Last year I actually unsubscribed from the Yogi
>Bhajan Kundalini Yoga group at Yahoo because the moderators were
>unnecessarily strict and it was over-commercial and designed to sell
>books, videos, CDs, etc.
Yup. I was on the list too. Actually, I was on all the K-related
yahoo lists, as a lurker till Yahoo deleted my profile the second time. The
only occasion I had to write to them, was a private note asking why they
plagirized our list description and guidelines for their website. Never got
a response, but they changed a few words.
> > How do you measure "Genuine and authentic"?
>[Bhavin Desai] By "genuine" I mean something that is true to its source,
>not something that has been made up for financial or egotistical
>purposes. By "authentic" I mean that there is a history of
>good/favourable results.
Cool.
How do you define "source"?
How do you define "Good/favorable" from a nondual perspective? You
describe your own process with the Guru as painful and harsh... (paraphrasing)
Carl Jung says "There is no coming to consciousness, without pain."
In 1996, my guidance told me "Not for nothing, will this be the
hardest thing you have ever done." It was right!!... and I would not
change a thing. :)
>[Bhavin Desai] I wondered what my teachers would have said about this
>opportunity. They were never keen about "shortcuts" and they
>recommended in general to avoid the
>workgroups/seminars/conferences/retreats that offered special powers,
>privileges, or other such promises. I recall that Swami Dev Murti Ji
>often has a little poem like "when you are quick, you get the kick".
Ironic, for someone who got a lifetime's karma cleared, in a year... :)
Considering that you have already been on the path for 30 years, and I
have been known to do a dozen third eye openings in the first 10 minutes of
a two hour workshop, I would not say this is a shortcut. As you said, you
are close and only need a nudge...
I'm not pushing you tho. Do as you please, of course! Free Will is
Goddess law. Richard Bach says "Argue for your limitations, and you get to
keep them."
Anyhow... I pretty much anticipated this reaction from you. You are
now giving me your resistance, that is an aspect of how the karma flow
works. :) My response to your other post, regarding your understanding of
how your Master "burned" karma has been waiting in my outbox. As I hinted
in my first post of this thread, your attachment to your intellectual
understanding *is* the blockage you seek to clear.
>[Bhavin Desai] There are several sites that explain how to activate
>Kundalini, etc, with certain techniques or exercises. There are several
>sites which explain in detail (with personal stories) the complications
>or problems of accelerated Kundalini development. One can rise quickly
>but can also fall quickly/deeply. It could be 10 steps forward and (a
>risk of) 15 steps backward.
I would not say that 30 years of yoga preparation is "accelerated."
Trust yourself! : )
>[Bhavin Desai] I think for the moment, I will read the information on
>your various sites first (subject to available time, etc) and then
>proceed further as appropriate.
Enjoy it. : ) Tell me what you think.
> Also, I would prefer a physical
>presence at least in the first few instances/interactions.
Argue for your limitations... ;)
I'm in Vancouver, Canada. I do 99% of my work by remote. Space and
time matters not. Where are you?
>[Bhavin Desai] The Kundalini Yoga of Swami Dev Murti Ji is genuine and
>authentic (in my 25+ years experience with this and other systems). It
>is also completely safe.
Good. Your path with him was fast and painful tho, eh? So you said,
previously... safety is a relative concept.
> Swami Ji tested the system on himself first,
>then his family/relatives, then others.
Me too. Not on my relatives, but on myself and then on others who were
willing to experiment. I abandoned teaching a few times, too... went off to
nonduality. Perfection, nothing to do, nothing to fix... but, I was missed.
People called me to come back to the work of teaching and healing... and
after a while, bliss got boring. It seemed selfish. I knew they are God and
need nothing, but they did not know it... and through them, Goddess was
inviting me to come back into the world of doing. I decided that sitting on
my ass blissing out under the Boddhi tree was not why I had incarnated...
I decided I would just write all my teaching down into a course format,
then go off again. If people wanted them, they could read them and leave me
be... Didn't work out like that, of course... :) But these days, being and
doing are closer together, moment to moment.
You are God, and if God wants to experience limitations, then he can. : )
> Compare this method to the
>commercial pharmaceutical companies. The "Crown Jewels" of his system
>is a set of "Crocodile Courses" on the back, on the stomach, sitting,
>etc. Each course consists of spinal chord exercises that result in self
>manipulation/mobilisation/chiropractice. These work on the nadis,
>chakras, Kundalini, higher bodies, etc. Neti, Nauli, and other Kriyas
>are also included as are Pranayama, etc.
It sounds very interesting. Care to share more about it?
> This is all summarised in "The
>Seven Golden Keys of Swami Dev Murti Ji". When I was with Swami Ji, he
>mentioned that there are in fact 108 Golden Keys, but he is releasing
>them slowly and only to the right people. I have not seen any similar
>system elsewhere, and I have studied many systems.
Every Master is unique, and has unique gifts to share, even among those
who share a common lineage. Limitless manifestation seems to like it like
that. :)
Bless....
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