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Recieved: 2003/04/29 02:06
Subject: RE: [K-list] RE: Cycling of the Kundalini - Karma
From: Rich
On 2003/04/29 02:06, Rich posted thus to the K-list:
Bhavin,
An interesting post.
> In particular, I cannot perceive anything beyond
> the five senses, such as auras, prana, nadis, chakras,
> kundalini, higher bodies, karma, dharma, etc.
Ahha, but there is no need to. Witnessing these things does not necessarily
give rise to pleasure emotions. For the most part it can be too much
unwanted information.
It is not really a marker of spiritual progress either. One could have great
etheric perception but be a mess in other areas. In my experience it is
wiser to work from the root up. When the person is heart focussed, sincere
and not involved in power struggles or sexual leuring then they will be in
the right place to manage this perception better.
> In physics everything is energy.
Not so... Energy must have space to move within so space is also a basic
component. Time is the perception of movement of energy or matter and this
would follow. If I was a theorist I would suggest all of these things came
into play simultaneously.
> Similarly in Unix
> everything is a file.
That's why the run so slowly ;)
> This is fine at the abstract level.
> However, a chair is clearly different to electricity, even
> though they are both types of energy in physics.
Yes. There is a difference between matter and energy. In the most part,
energy needs a carrier (i.e. matter). Look at gravity as we move out of the
earths atmosphere. Electricity needs the air or a conduit.
This is also why karma cannot be processed easily without the body. And is
why Buddhist's consider it a blessing to be born as human.
> Therefore although everything may be
> regarded as energy, that does not help us at the practical level.
This is simplified. A view of an energy worker.
Everything is love to someone who is lost in there heart.
> In the realm of Kundalini, which the Upanishads state covers
> the three worlds (waking, dreaming, sleeping) and beyond,
> everything is also energy. Some people use the term
> "vibration" in an equivalent sense.
It's just a word. It just is. I could say everything is movement.
> Therefore auras, prana, nadis, chakras, kundalini, higher
> bodies, karma, and dharma can also be regarded as energy.
> However, on a practical level they are different and have
> different properties.
Movement.. Energy.. Matter.. Space..
All entwined together to give different flavours.
A wonderful illusion.
> Karma is probably like an axiom in mathematics in the sense
> that there is no further analysis required -- it is a
> fundamental law of the universe.
It is the law of self. Our own universe.
> t does not require
> justification or elaboration. It is "The Law". Karma is a
> database of actions/reactions that is held in the higher
> bodies. Note that a database is static not active. In
> particular it does not flow.
It is the law of experiences that are not fully experienced. What is
resisted becomes a block. Over time they tend to be pushed away into the
outer bodies. As the inner stuff is cleared this outer stuff presents
itself. As the layers are cleared the person becomes more aware and
eventually enlightened if they empty everything and don't resist further
experience.
> When suitable circumstances become available then various
> actions performed by an individual are appropriately resolved
> with respect to the database of karmas.
Karma wants to run out. Naturally we want to take up our space and more so
when K is pushing out the walls. We touch on the edges of this unprocessed
experience and draw events into our life to meet with the stuff . Taking
right action can release the whole thing.
When knowing and integrating the right way, the old way can be torn up and
shredded easily.
There is another way. By staying solidly in emptiness then it is not easy to
get struck by the karma that wants to run out. Having the body clean will
allow it to flow out more easily, like a spicy curry.
> Energy healers work on various types of Prana/Chi.
Some work with these.
> Not
> (necessarily) on karma.
My experience is that the karma will not leave without a willingness of the
other to give it up or without the consent/agreement of those it relates to.
> The activities that you describe may
> be working on Prana/Chi (which are flowing types of energy)
> rather than karma (which is more like a static database).
I'd rather see it as Dynamic! Static sounds like it can't change.
> High Masters can take on the responsibilities of someone
> else's karma. Grand Master Swami Dev Murti Ji states that he
> has the techniques to help "burn" your karma. It is a
> painful procedure that I have personally experienced.
It is a beautiful thing. I ask how to reward a spirit helper and the answer
I hear is they take there reward in seeing the person improve.
> I am open to other unified theories,
Well maybe this one not a theory or unified... Just observation. Everyone
will see it their own way according to their perceptions and if they look in
their mind or outside of it.
> In conclusion, I think the various aspects such as auras,
> prana, nadis, chakras, kundalini, higher bodies, karma,
> dharma, etc, etc should be distinguished in their various
> attributes and properties even though they may all be
> different types of energy.
Only need distinguishing for the sake of the mind/intellect. It just is...
None of it matters in the end.
Sometimes I see animals that look like they have a wiser understanding on
things, like they are laughing at how silly it all is. Laughing at me
looking wondering what it's like to be an animal... LOL.
Best wishes,
Rich
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