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Recieved: 2003/04/28 15:10
Subject: Re: [K-list] Is there an atheist on the list?!?
From: J. Bradley
On 2003/04/28 15:10, J. Bradley posted thus to the K-list:
> From: "mundane zen" <gutrek AT_NOSPAM hotmail.com>
> To: K-list AT_NOSPAM kundalini-gateway.org
> Subject: Re: [K-list] Is there an atheist on the list?!?
> Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 12:00:12 -0400
>
> K. is a tengible energy, which can be fit into the matrix of many belief
> systems. Christians may call it the Holy Spirit, Yogis call it Kundalini,
> Buddhists may call it the void... They're all just symbols.
This component really fascinates me; it does seem to be known across all
belief systems, and the caduceus (sp?) or a similar symbol also pops up all
over the place. In a roundabout way, this supports my growing belief that K
is part of human DNA, whether anomalous or not, I don't know.
> >... please don't yell at me because I don't have your beliefs!
>
>
> Is someone here doing that?
Not at all, and I should have said that ... I guess I'm a little raw from
the experience I'm currently having with my best friend. The day before
yesterday we almost got into an argument -- I backed off and just started
uh-uh'ing. When someone 'knows' god exists (or whatever one calls it), then
that often leaves no room for another's belief; I think 'knowing' gives the
person the sense that it's more than belief, that it's absolute
reality/fact. She has a very strong personality and I don't like to argue
with her when she's decided something -- makes for looping and seems
pointless to me. Deliberately opening myself to aggravation doesn't make
sense. Then there's my brother, an on-and-off-again Jehovah's Witness. To
be honest, I mostly avoid him when he's an active member. I don't know, I
must have a higher-than-'normal' guilt quotient. When my friend says she
knows there's an intelligent, loving force separate from us, existing around
and outside our planet -- ruling the universe, is how I interpret what she's
saying -- and I don't feel that at all, I really don't ... well, it's too
easy for me to feel 'wrong'. That's just all the years of abuse fallout and
shame/guilt I carried ... something about not feeling valid I suppose.
Still have that a bit around people I love dearly who happen to have less
trouble asserting their beliefs with me. *laughs* Probably I'll always
react this way; my effort to keep the peace, to avoid the feeling of having
disappointed someone with my wayward thinking. *smiles* I'm all about --
hey, it's -your- proof, it's not mine and, in my opinion, it's not proof ...
it's belief (hence the tendency to circular argument), but she -knows- I'm
wrong. Meh, why bother to argue. *smiles*
> You are not alone (wasn't that a movie?). I'm pretty comfortable using
> whatever terms the other person likes, as long as they don't start
treating
> their symbols as the exclusive and ultimate reality.
Yeah, that's the problem ... when others know they're right. *smiles*
> Someone on the list turned me on to David Bohm and his book "Wholeness and
> the Implicate Order". I bet you'd like it.
Thanks ... there are so many books out there, it helps to get suggestions
from people, makes it easier to know what to look at. ... I just did a
search on Google, using the title of the book and his name. I found some
very interesting stuff; I'm thinking perhaps David Bohm experienced the K
energy. He talks about different spin directions and sensations in his body
... I'll be reading more of his stuff. Thanks for pointing me in this
direction!
> Collective Unconscious -- the repositary of all the religious, spiritual,
> and mythological symbols and experiences of mankind.
Yes, I had it wrong. The person who developed the therapy I practice talks
about nonconscious, as opposed to un- or subconscious, for the very reason
it all gets mired down in who's theory says what sort of stuff. I much
prefer nonconscious, as the implication is much clearer -- it's that part
where active thought isn't happening. I started calling it the 'universal
database' after I began experiencing an increase in intuition, after I
started 'knowing' things (haha -- non-spiritual things, that is ... hrm,
maybe I'm tripping myself here? *laughs*) ... anyways, things that I knew
there was no way I -could- know, based on my own knowledge base. At one
point, I realized I 'knew' stuff about electrons, about plasma -- and I
didn't have a physics background to speak of, just highschool physics and a
couple months of a university science course that was geared to arts
students. So when it occurred to me, entirely out of nowhere, that plasma
was a good thing to use as an energy source ... I'm thinking, ok, I've lost
my mind and now I have delusions of intelligence. *laughs* And a month
later, there it was on the cover of one of the popular science magazines.
My right brain had taken the helm, it would seem; it's taken quite a lot of
thought and effort to convince myself it's ok to have these experiences.
After this, I became really interested in physics and, to a lesser degree,
relativity theory. It's been difficult, trying to understand some of the
concepts -- not having a strong science background and trying to wade
through some of that stuff! -- but I get that I understand a lot of it on an
intuitive level. Lately, I've come across things like quantum
decoherence -- which makes perfect sense to me. Anyways, I love the journey
of discovery and if I'm downloading stuff from the universal database, well,
all the better. *laughs*
> >(or whatever he called it; it's been years); I believe that what goes
> >around, comes around,
>
> Karma
Or, put another way, action at a distance and decoherence combine to remind
you of what you'd been up to ... or something. *laughs*
Jude
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