To: K-list
Recieved: 2003/04/26 17:58
Subject: Re: [K-list] RE: Cycling of the Kundalini/Agnosticism
From: Druout

Charles writes:

Are agnostics agnostic because the debris of karma block their connection to
the divine? I certainly feel that the more karma I clear the clearer my
connection is to the divine.

and RK Shankar writes:

Agnostic believes that one cannot know anything 'certainly' about God
So, the agnostic is caught up between his 'longing for knowledge of God'
and his 'belief as to the uncertainty of any knowledge of God'.

and JR writes:

I prefer Consciousness of the Cosmos

Dear Charles, RK, JR,

I prefer the terms cosmic consciousness too. :))

Remember there are many agnostics and atheists on this list. Some are
Buddhists including my twin sister Dev. :))
I remain agnostic despite my incredible K experiences. To presume there is
something lacking in agnostics or atheists--that we are either caught up in
longing or have a karma block is a bit ...well, presumptuous, perhaps. ;)

If the cosmos is simply being/oneness/love how can there be any separation
from that--how can we separate ourselves--have any division at all--between
"god" and "self." This is, perhaps, the difference between Monists and
Theists.
 
I love the quote from an ecstatic mystic in the Upanishads in *Mysticism in
the world's Religions* by Geoffrey Parrinder:

Wonderful! Wonderful! Wonderful!
I am food! I am food! I am food!
I am the eater of food...
I am the maker of verses...
I am first of the world-order,
I am earlier than the gods...
I, who am food, eat the eater of food!
I have overcome the whole world!

I think we are experiencing the same mystical phenomena. We simply interpret
it differently.

Love, Hillary

*******
Charles writes:

The most beautiful part of it all is that the more I grow, the more open I
become, the more I surrender.... the less need I have to define this
~~Energy~~ and the more I see it in Everything and Everyone and in Everything
and Everyone is It/His/Her definition.
RK Shankar writes:

Agnostic believes that one cannot know anything 'certainly' about God
So, the agnostic is caught up between his 'longing for knowledge of God'
and his 'belief as to the uncertainty of any knowledge of God'.
So, the Ida and the Pingala nerves are very powerful in an agnostic
The moment they merge into the Sushumna,
the agnostic will race towards becoming "a certain gnostic".
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