To: K-list
Recieved: 2003/04/18 18:40
Subject: Re: [K-list] Love
From: mundane zen
On 2003/04/18 18:40, mundane zen posted thus to the K-list:
Dear Chris,
>But masturbation is an expression of self-love. I say this in all
>seriousness. There is purpose in masturbation. It helps me know and
>love myself. This is true for sexual and mental forms of the art.
I had a feeling I didn't say that quite right, so let me rephrase it:
compulsive mental masturbation using symbols isn't healthy. :)
>>Experiencing the thing in itself, the object as it relates to the
>>whole is where it's at.
>
>Yes, but did you notice that you just asked the same question? How
>does it fit into the whole?
Not precisely. It's one thing to ponder over a cup of coffee and question
its meaning, and quite another to see immediately how it fits into the whole
-- drink!
>How does it affect how I behave? Why should I be kind to someone in
>traffic just because I had an experience of mind blowing bliss?
It's not as if you treat the blissful experience like a philosophical
proposition by Schopenhauer. The direct experience of the Self makes you
realize that this is the same Self in others. You just do it.
>And yes I know I am being deliberately obtuse. I am kinder as a result
>of the experience as long as I have a framework where the experience
>generates increased kindness. There are many who have had experiences
>of God who have turned into justifications for acts of violence and
>self-importance.
Well, sure. This is like the story of the knight on the quest for the hold
grail. He gets the prize and then has to come back to mundane reality.
It's like the holy man who meditates in solitude in the mountains for 20
years, then comes into the city to share his knowledge, gets pushed by some
careless passer by and proceeeds to cuss him out. It's not enough to
experience transcendental reality, then go back into your regular existence.
It has to be integrated into your entire life -- wholeness again :)
Peace,
ken
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