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Recieved: 2003/04/17 20:25
Subject: Re: [K-list] Evil...
From: Danijel Turina
On 2003/04/17 20:25, Danijel Turina posted thus to the K-list:
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At 10:34 16.4.2003 -0600, SAC wrote:
>> Long indeed, my Dear. :) I've been busy, wrote 3 books, got
>> married, almost got killed a couple of times, the usual. :))
>
>Yeah! You go boy...congrats!
Thankyou. :)
>> >> OK, let me see. What you are saying is that there's only
>> >> perfection in this world, but the people act imperfectly
>> >> because they are
>> >> imperfect. :) I'd say this is a very interesting statement. ;)
>> >
>> >Nah, people act imperfectly because they don't know who they are
>> >and are afraid.
>>
>> And them not knowing who they are is supposed be some kind of
>> perfection? ;)
>
>certainly.... give them all the answers up front and then whose
>answers do they have?
You seem to confuse absolute perfection with relative perfection. The
perfection of this world is relative, and only the perfection of God
is absolute. It is good as a tool of education, but it is lousy in
probably all other respects. :) In this world, evil is clearly
visible and present, so that we can define ourselves against it. But
this world is such an obstacle to everything spiritual, that nobody
in his right mind could claim it to be good in the absolute sense.
>Does the action of acting out evil, being and doing hateful things
>mean one's essence is evil?
No, but the evil essence almost invariably produces the evil deeds.
Sometimes, since the nature of evil is ignorance, evil unwillingly
does good. This way, God uses even evil to good ends.
>Hmmm...where do miracles fit in here...
Nowhere; we simply didn't speak of them at all. :)
>transformation and transcendence.... a choice made in the blink
>of an eye causes instant transformation. Why does it work for some
>and not for others?
Choice is possible when you have several things to choose from. Most
people simply cannot choose the really good things, simply because
they cannot yet recognize them. Thus the evolution and reincarnation.
>> :)
>> Do you really think that all that is important is the state of
>> _your_ heart? Do you really think it will negate the existence of
>> objective evil in others? Do you really think that everybody
>> becomes good if _you_ observe only goodness? Come on!
>
>Not for everyone in every time. One would be enough. :) If only a
>small portion of us practices the discipline of peace and affects
>only one person. Then that one person begins practicing the
>discipline of peace and they in turn only affect one person. Someone
>do the math. How long before this becomes silly in terms of
>exponentially affecting the lives of others?
That was not the thing in question. Of course that you make a certain
degree of positive influence on others if your spiritual condition is
good and you manifest it. However, the very fact that you think that
you can make a positive influence shows that you, in fact, believe
there to be lots of non-positive things to be influenced, and you are
right. However, your good observation of reality contradicts your
worldview, which looks like a combination of wicca and new age - no
evil, no sin, only frequencies of energy blah blah. However, such a
system has two problems. First, what do you call a state of zero
energy, or zero Hz frequency of vibration? I call it absolute
nothingness, or absolute evil. Second, what do you call a voluntary
decision to reduce the frequency towards nothingness, in self and in
others? I call it sin, or a choice for evil, and against God.
Basically, you observe evil, you fight it by introducing the good,
and you are careful not to commit sin; however, it seems like one
could deep fry you with the potatoes before you would admit it,
because it sounds so... so... CHRISTIAN!! <yyyyuuuckk!>. :)))))
But you have to admit it: the judeo-christian theology works well
with the polarities, while the new age systems work well with the
shades. However, the shades always end in the extremes, and the
shades are only a mixture of the polarities.
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