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Recieved: 2003/04/17 19:01
Subject: Re: [K-list] Evil
From: Danijel Turina
On 2003/04/17 19:01, Danijel Turina posted thus to the K-list:
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At 09:49 16.4.2003 -0400, admin AT_NOSPAM shalom-retreats.ca wrote:
>I have read with interest the postings on evil.Over the course of
>the discussion there have been references to good and evil. Does
>this not require an absolute moral code against which to evaluate
>actions or people?
Some things need to be clarified here.
First, there exists the absolute good, and it is God. Good and evil
are the relative qualities, perceived in the relative world. Since
that's where we are right now, it is very much relevant to us. The
fact that the evil is relative bears little relevance, since a brick
is relative too, and I wouldn't want one to hit me in the head.
Second, the fact that there are good and evil, doesn't mean that we
can judge them precisely, for our perception, too, is relative, and
if we aren't completely enlightened, we will have difficulties in
judgment. So, something can be good or evil, and we can, or can not
know it.
Third, if we judge something as evil, we can make several layers of
judgments, discerning between a person and his actions, or between
several components in either. For instance, a generally good person
can commit an evil deed, and a generally evil person can commit a
good deed. Also, a certain deed can have good or evil aspects, on
several levels of observation. For instance, if you give money to a
beggar, it is good because he can buy food, and it is not good
because you encourage him to beg, instead of finding a more dignified
solution to his problem. Also, when Americans invade Iraq, it is good
because it will overthrow a fascist ruler and a murderous government,
but it is bad because many innocent people will suffer, as seen on
TV.
Fourth, we must introduce quantity. Highly polarized good or evil are
very rare in this world. We must therefore discern between great
evils and the small ones.
Fifth, we must avoid making judgments from a limited personal
standpoint. From such position, if something is unpleasant or
disturbing to us, we will call it evil, and if it is pleasurable, we
will call it good. However, most often such perspective has very
little in common with the higher truths.
>To say something is evil versus good requires a marker against which
>to measure.
As I said, this marker exists, in the absolute sense, and it is God.
Every single thing is good in a degree to which it manifests God or
helps reach God, and it is evil to a degree in which it hinders God's
manifestation or prevents people to feel the Divine qualities. In
this way, we can establish the point of reference.
>While I can say that I like or dislike a particular action, this
>is only a personal response, not an absolute response.
Yes; one's personal judgment can be very remote from reality.
However, it isn't necessarily so. There is no theoretical reason why
a person couldn't tell good from evil with a very good deal of
accuracy. If one enters the state of Divine vision, and from that
perspective observes a certain situation, he will know the absolute
truth of this situation. However, it might be extremely difficult to
map this truth into the human concepts.
>To this someone will
>tell a horrific story of abuse, torture, murder, etc. While it
>appears bad to me, I'm not sure that it is bad to the perpetrator.
That is irrelevant. What matters is what it is compared to the
absolute point of reference. If an evil person commits an evil deed,
he will probably think he did good. However, from the absolute
perspective, he did and is evil. I repeat, it doesn't even matter
whether we can tell for sure whether something is or is not evil.
What matters is that evil exists and it can be known as such. If we
can't know it, some angel probably can. The fact that evil exists,
doesn't even mean that we are supposed to dwell on it; it would be
quite sufficient to dwell on God, to defeat evil. However, I don't
really like the relativistic attitudes. Those things usually end with
"nothing really matters, nothing is really important" attitudes.
>his/her motivation. George Bush believes he is taking the moral
>highroad in invading Iraq.
George Bush is a fucking idiot and should be put in jail. He will
bring America to ruin, mark my words. (venting...)
>Does this marker exist? All I can say is that I cannot find it and
>that I have looked long and hard.
You have obviously looked at the wrong places. :)
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