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Recieved: 2003/04/16 12:07
Subject: Re: [K-list] Yoga Kundalini Upanishad - in English
From: Bhavin Desai
On 2003/04/16 12:07, Bhavin Desai posted thus to the K-list:
> [Mystress wrote:]
[Bhavin replies:]
> >Regarding your reference to "having done TM-siddhis, like Yogic
Flying"
> >do you mean merely hopping around in Padmasana (Lotus Position) on a
> >mattress (as reported on many TV/media programmes)?
>
> TM = transcendental meditation a la Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. Hopping
> around on your butt while in Lotus... = Yogic flying. The perineum
> contraction workout plus repeatedly bouncing on your tailbone can
cause
> KA. Looks darn silly, tho.
> : )
[Bhavin Desai] My concern was that "flying" could be misconstrued as
"levitation", or even something more advanced. Furthermore, it is not
"flying" at all, is it? It is just a flowery term used in order to make
it appear to be more than it actually is in practice (but a good
marketing ploy). We teach similar exercises, and others, which can
induce/stimulate/activate the Kundalini Shakti. But we don't call it
"flying", nor have any reference to Siddhis.
[Bhavin Desai] My teachers (Jack Boulton and John More, both deceased)
noted more than 25 years ago that their teacher Swami Dev Murti Ji
(alive and well, in Delhi) helped Maharishi Mahesh Yogi in the early
days - the 60's and 70's. The Maharishi decided to make it all very
commercial and extravagant, although the early days were actually quite
tough for him. However, Swami Ji provided a lot of assistance and
guidance to him. Swami Ji himself has stayed out of the limelight. He
knows many high ranking people in India and other countries, but has
managed to stay clear of the media. I stayed with him for a year in
India, after my MPhil in Mathematical Logic at Nottingham University in
England. Wherever we went for lecturing, teaching, etc, everyone knew
him - high and low ranks. I find it completely amazing that he appears
to be so elusive with respect to the media. That is, so well known and
yet so little known. Astonishing.
[Bhavin Desai] When he came to England a few years ago, he was on TV for
a 30 minute lecture. Then someone was going to make a whole series
about his Yoga system. I don't know what eventually happened (or why)
but it was never completed. [It turned out that Swami Ji tried to help
the director in many ways, but the director did not want help and only
wanted to cash in on the Yoga.]
> > Or do you really
> >mean to refer to the Eight Siddhis and Nine Niddhis which are the
> >classical Yogic Powers?
>
> Siddhis I have heard of, but what's a "niddhi"?
>
[Bhavin Desai] There is a Mantra called Hanuman Chalisa - "Forty verses
praising Hanuman". One of the relevant verses is (Ashta=8, Nav=9):
Ashta sidhi nav nidhi ke dhata
Us var deen Janki mata
You can grant to any one, any yogic power of Eight Siddhis
(power to become light and heavy at will) and Nine Nidhis
(Riches,comfort,power,prestige,fame,sweet relationship etc.)
This boon has been conferred upon you by Mother Janki.
[Bhavin Desai] So Niddhis can be thought of as different types of
wealth. See http://www.eeshvandana.com/hanumanchalisa.htm for full
Mantra and translation into English.
> > In my experience, those masters who have the
> >powers do not generally speak about them, even to their students.
>
> Will you speak of them?
>
[Bhavin Desai] Yes. Himalayan Yoga Maharishi Ayurveda Acharya Swami Dev
Murti Ji has the full Ashta Siddhi and Nav Niddhi. His Master, who I
met very briefly in 1987 near Haridwar/Rishikesh, also had all of these
powers. Swami Ji's Master was aged over 150 at that time. It should be
further clarified that they themselves did not tell me. I found out
from other sources.
[Bhavin Desai] My teachers, Jack and John, said that they did not have
such powers. They went even further and said that they did not want
those powers because with them also comes responsibility for correct
use. They felt that their spiritual path was Karma Yoga and service to
humanity. They certainly lived up to their convictions, even unto their
last days.
[Bhavin Desai] I myself have no such powers. Some people have suggested
that I would say that even if I did have such powers!!! What Swami Ji
explains is that ALL humans have all of these powers in a latent form.
It is our birth right. There are 84,00,000 types of Yoga according to
classical sources. That is, each species has its own form of Yoga. The
Yoga for humans is designed to awaken the Natural powers that are
currently dormant.
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