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Recieved: 2003/04/16 08:54
Subject: Re: [K-list] Evil
From: Danijel Turina
On 2003/04/16 08:54, Danijel Turina posted thus to the K-list:
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At 18:23 15.4.2003 -0400, Hillary wrote:
>>And then you see immense
>>hatred in his eyes, hatred towards both you and that which you love
>>and admire, hatred that spits at your spirit and deems it
>>worthless? Now, that is evil. It doesn't even have to cause
>>suffering, it's
>>enough for it to exist to be called Evil, for it is the direct
>>opposite to the Good.
>
>Hi Danijel! :))
Hello Hillary! :))
>Glad to see you've decided to lurk a while! ;)
I'm not sure I'll manage to keep up this pace for long though, it's
rather time consuming...
>You seem to have a very low threshold for deciding what is evil.
We are dealing with quality, not quantity. If we acknowledge the
existence of a quality, then it remains to agree on the quantity.
>I
>don't think I've ever met anyone who at one time or another hasn't
>dashed cold water on something that is loved. Often it is done with
> desire to teach. Often it teaches-- whether that is the intention
>or not.
I have two objections here. First, the fact that a thing is a small
evil doesn't make it good. Second, I really didn't talk about the
phenomenon you are mentioning. What you are mentioning is a small
evil that has mostly positive background. I was talking about much
worse things.
>We can go on forever about whether or not evil really exists.
Actually, I already demonstrated that it exists, and nobody seems to
disagree - they, in fact, agree that evil exists, but that it is
better to ignore it than to acknowledge its existence. For something
they claim not to exist, they have a strangely good idea about it. :)
>When I
>say that evil doesn't exist I do so simply out of faith that
>everything ultimately is love--can't be otherwise.
If everything were indeed love, we would not observe love mixed with
other things, and people wouldn't have to introduce terms such as
"negative energy", "low energy", "ignorance" etc. into discussion.
Aparently, things other than love exist. However, they are limited to
the lowest planes of existence, and love can conquer them in the same
way in which light destroys darkness. You, too, seem to want to say
that not all is love, but that love can prevail.
>Everything is as it should be
>and always has been. If you don't have that faith, evil might
>indeed seem to exist. After all, we see it all around us, don't
>we?
:)) I thought you see only love. :)
>I repeat once again one of my favorite quotes from *Talks with Sri
>Ramana Maharshi.*
>
> "Each one sees his own Self only, always and everywhere. He finds
> the
>world and God according to what he is. .."
That is true, however only in a certain sense. You can't apply it too
widely, or you will come up with very strange ideas, such as that
firemen cause fire for they choose to observe it and deal with it,
and that the fires would go out more quickly if they paid no
attention to them. :)
>Congratulations on your marriage! And, of course, your books! :))
Thankyou. :)
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