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Recieved: 2003/04/14 12:46
Subject: [K-list] Evil...
From: SAC
On 2003/04/14 12:46, SAC posted thus to the K-list:
>
> Hello Susan, (and I thought I'll just look what's there and not
> post:)
Hey Sweetie, Long time no hear from....
> OK, let me see. What you are saying is that there's only perfection
> in this world, but the people act imperfectly because they are
> imperfect. :) I'd say this is a very interesting statement. ;)
Nah, people act imperfectly because they don't know who they are and are
afraid.
>
> >People create evil out of their own lack of understanding of the
> >true nature of their essence. Since evil is created it can be
> >uncreated.
>
> OK, so, evil doesn't exist, but it does exist and consists of
> ignorance. :)
It does exist as a projection and lack of understanding. It can be
manufactured just as fear can as a response when there is nothing to
fear.
>
> >Do so by becoming cultivating a pool of peace in your own heart.
> >Soon there will be no room for even the recognition of what people
> >call evil.
>
> :)) OK, so, you are basically saying that if a guy smacked you on the
> head, tied you up and raped you all day, you would only be
> cultivating the pool of peace in your own heart, smiling at him
> blissfully and thanking him for the wonderful experience? :)
Danijel, Danijel, Danijel....
Heh...you know I wouldn't. That would be silly, wouldn't it? :) Because
people act imperfectly the wise solution would be to act prudently. I
may be an eternal being but I live in a body made of organic material.
Am I totally detached from that attachment and what is the result of
that? No...nor would I want to be.
>
> >This sucks the energy out of the creation thoughtform of evil. Evil
> >then dissipates and then only that what is remains.
>
> - From that, it would follow that bad things never happen to good
> people. However, observation of the world shows otherwise; it's not
> that people first invented the concept of "evil" and then the evil
> things started happening to them, but it was the other way around.
> First one person said "oh, I'm so important and cool that I can hurt
> anybody as much as I like, and it's OK because if I'm powerful
> enough, I can do anything". Then he went and killed, plundered and
> raped. The others saw him and had to forge some word for this, and
> this word was "evil", which, in fact, denotes all the disharmonic
> things in which God is not reflected, and which are based on
> ignorance, delusion and opposition to everything Divine, and which
> result in suffering.
:) Yes, this suffering does happen. Shall we call this "evil" then? The
only "evil" and suffering that we can totally affect is the conflict we
have created in our own hearts from the opposition to the Divine. We can
only see in others what we have recognized in ourselves. The ability to
cultivate peace in ourselves and to see the perfection that already
exists in others, in my experience, creates a doorway for others to do
the same. It doesn't always work but for a fleeting moment those who may
live in delusion may feel a crack in that opening. Sometimes that may be
all that is necessary for change to begin, for them to see things
differently.
>
> >To even give recognition that evil even exists feeds the thoughtform
> >of evil with energy and makes it bigger and more manifest.
>
> Basically, you want to say that it is good to be established on the
> mental plane, where evil cannot exist, and that the reduction of the
> specific vibration of consciousness results in observation and
> existence on the lower planes that permit disharmony and
> non-observation of God.
> However, we human beings have a certain problem with our design. We
> have a physical body, which means that we are not in the same
> position as the angels of the mental plane, who are completely beyond
> touch of the astral and the still lower levels. We can't just turn
> off everything below the mental body at will, because that will
> result in our desincarnation, which is not a very good thing, unless
> we have finished doing whatever we are here for. We can't just say
> that there are no problems, because that is almost certain to get us
> killed, or even worse, in serious trouble. You can't cross the
> streets of a city as if you were walking across a meadow; you'll get
> killed. You can't ignore the bills, coz you'll end up in prison. You
> can't just sit there and smile, for your body will wither. You can't
> just ignore all the bad things, for you will, again, get killed -
> when there's a war or a gang fight around, it is not wise to ignore
> it, it is wise to avoid it. If you are attacked by the gangsters, the
> mechanisms of the mental plane will invariably get you killed - some
> people respond to kindness with hatred, and they'll just kill you
> because you were nice and reminded them of how ugly they are.
> In essence, the ostrich tactics of sticking your head in it until the
> trouble ends doesn't work here. It works on the higher levels, where,
> if you don't observe the problems, they do not cross paths with your
> existence. Here, the problems cross paths with everybody's existence,
> because this world is a mixture of everything.
Well, there you go...thanks for explaining that in detail for me. :) I
agree.
>
> >As the pool of peace within us becomes larger then we no longer see
> >evil or evil acts. We only see perfection. We can choose to see only
> >peace. When we do so we are no longer 'hooked' into evil. Peace and
> >harmony prevails.
>
> :)) OK, now I'll tell you a story. There is a guy who gets drunk
> every day, and then beats up his wife and rapes his daughter. After
> that, he gets another beer. His family is starving, and one day, he
> simply gets tired of them and kills them both, slowly, painfully, and
> smiles - he really did show them this time, did he. Fuck them
> bitches.
> OK. You go tell this guy that he's in fact a creature of love and
> light, that he is the embodiment of the Divine Self, that all the
> greatest qualities are in his innermost nature. In fact, don't ever
> bother to observe the shotgun he's pointing at your head, and when he
> blows you up and smiles (he he, look at this mess, he he), you will
> know that he in fact did a good and noble thing there, freeing you
> from your bodily bondage, so that you can now go to that place where
> there is no evil, no harm, nothing but the ocean of peace, smiling at
> the light of the stars above.
> ;>>>>>
Oy Danijel, treat the suffering in our own hearts first, where conflict
begins, where delusion lives. Then words are not necessary when the
heart is at peace. Tenderness and compassion radiate.
You assume that I think the body is bondage and I seek to be liberated.
Nothing is further from the truth for me. I am enjoying my bodily
incarnation. Where I am is where I am to be. Peace is present now, the
stars shine within me. Location has nothing to do with it. I am not in
prison, looking for liberation. And if something happens that can cause
me danger, then I move.
You offer an extreme example but rarely does such extreme behavior
happen but yes, it could. I know that my faculties of discernment would
kick in as would my survival instinct and I would not respond in such a
stupid manner. :) I respect the duality of the world I live in and the
delusions of it's inhabitants. To do otherwise is hubris and
foolishness.
I work as a registered nurse. Every day I see those caught in delusion
and suffering. I have also been physically harmed at work by those who
are possessed in their delusions. The only thing I can control is my
response to violence. I do not have to respond with a violent mind.
You know, Danijel, that all those greatest qualities are there. We
mirror what we see, yes? :) Then we act prudently.
> (Oh I'm bad, evil in fact, yes I am, yup:))
I am glad you are. :) Bad to the bone...yep..that would be you.
>
> Hello everybody. :) 0:-)
Hello and welcome back.
Susan
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