To: K-list
Recieved: 2003/04/11 11:30
Subject: [K-list] RE: There is nothing to conceal regarding K
From: Bhavin Desai
On 2003/04/11 11:30, Bhavin Desai posted thus to the K-list:
[rkshankar wrote:] - [Bhavin Desai replies:]
> It was a permanent transformation of awareness of my being.
> The thinking ceased to be experienced in the brain.
> It came to be experienced permanently outside the body and above the
head.
> The permanent lodging of awareness of one being the admixture of
> the psychic-vital connected and permeating the body but distinctly
> different from it.
> This also I have written earlier on this list.
> So, I do not really know as to what else you want from me.
[Bhavin Desai] I am perhaps thinking in terms of (for example)
http://www.elcollie.com/st/symptoms.html. However, that is neither a
complete nor mandatory list. The main characteristic of Kundalini
activity is the very wide variety of experiences.
> Still, I do not know or understand many things that are posted on this
> list
> or the earlier lists
[Bhavin Desai] Yes, I feel the same, especially in the areas of
extremely personal experiences that I cannot relate to easily. I am
primarily an intellectual (my graduate and postgraduate degrees are in
mathematics) and a lot of the emotional aspects of Kundalini/life are a
real mystery to me.
> Possibly, people are of different backgrounds, religious, spiritual,
> reason
> and faith and so on.
> And, possibly, their experiences of K are different.
> Or, what is normally experienced as K,
> and what I have experienced as K, are different.
> Or still, what I have experienced may not be K at all.
[Bhavin Desai] I also used to feel this way a few years back. What made
the analysis definitive was the confirmation from my teachers' teacher
(Swami Dev Murti Ji), and from several other knowledgeable people.
About two years ago, on explaining the Mudras and Kriyas to Swami Ji,
his response was simply "Kundalini". I have followed Yoga for over 30
years, with one full year living with Swami Ji, near Delhi, before
starting my career. I had expected a bit more explanation so I
described further aspects like the "piano fingers (aka counting
fingers)", expansive energy, trance states, shaking/trembling, etc.
Again, his only response was "Kundalini".
> I have experienced the Force of the One Supreme God
> It has been given to me to call that Force as Mother Kali.
> And, She carries on and arranges my affairs as She Wills.
> I just hang around loosely, as a shirt hanging in a shirt-hanger.
> Things just happen for me, miraculously.
> Even those surrounding me, acknowledge the miracles that surround me,
> at the last moment from nowhere.
[Bhavin Desai] I have experienced an increasing number of
"synchronicities" in recent months. Some are so subtle that my mind
tries to find some logical justification, or at the very least some
statistical correlation.
> Even now, the word "Kundalini related symptoms or activities" keeps me
> puzzled.
[Bhavin Desai] Again, http://www.elcollie.com/st/symptoms.html (and
similar sites) may provide more information. Also,
http://home.attbi.com/~anil123/experience.htm and surrounding pages,
briefly give an Indian view. (I have met Swami Shri Punit Acharya Ji at
a retreat where he gave Shaktipat.) The free book "KUNDALINI YOGA" by
Sri Swami Sivananda at
http://www.thedivinelifesociety.org/download/kundalini.htm is extremely
authoritative regarding all aspects of Kundalini.
> There are some people who attack you vehemently even over e-mails
> Simply because your experience happens to be different from theirs,
> radically perhaps.
> They want to fit you into a straight jacket, that is, in their own
> pattern.
[Bhavin Desai] (I assume "you" is the general reference, similar to
"one") This is quite normal behaviour. People always want to convince
others that they themselves are exclusively right and following the only
right way. The best response is with gentleness and patience. This
approach invariably works for me. There is room in the universe
(multi-verse perhaps?) for many views.
> But, if my experience is different, what can I do?
> So, I let it go. I unsubscribed from the earlier 2 lists.
[Bhavin Desai] I also unsubscribed from several lists due to over
commercialisation or poor quality posting. I think the K-list is the
most interesting and useful.
> Some well-wishers called me to subscribe to this new list.
> So, here I am back again.
[Bhavin Desai] That's good luck/karma for you. I found that the K-list
had disappeared from Yahoo (even though my Yahoo account claimed I was
still a member!!!) and it took a few months before I had the time to
search out and join the new one.
> Thanks and kind regards
> RK Shankar
>
[Bhavin Desai] Hari Om Tat Sat.
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